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Live Thread: Senate Immigration/Amnesty Debate, 5/23/05 (Grassley Amendment, Etc.)
The United States Senate (via C-Span 2) and my own peabrain | 5/23/07 | truthkeeper

Posted on 05/23/2007 8:21:52 AM PDT by truthkeeper

Hi Folks.

In an effort to douse disinfectant on this debate, I'll try to post a daily thread. The details of this garbage legislation, once uncovered, are mind-boggling. I'm sure the elites would much prefer we not know or discuss them.

So far the Grassley Amendment is being discussed. This amendment would dump the judicial review/appeal process of a revoked visa (in the current and new law) and make the process similar to that of a denied visa. Inotherwords, GO HOME.

Grassley pointed out that under this legislation, even terrorists can appeal a revoked visa. His argument thus far is being countered by Kennedy and Menendez, D of New Jersey. He's currently droning on and on right now...nation of immigrants...family values don't end at the Rio Grande...jobs Americans won't do...

Get the picture?


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; legislation; senate
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To: Kimberly GG
It's not easy to listen to this, Kimberly.

Diane Feinstein is wearing me out.

To listen to these traitors, we have to conclude they don't want to secure our Borders.

We're watching the final destruction of our Country as we once knew it.

Now, she mentions Elian Gonzalez..witch!

sw

41 posted on 05/23/2007 12:48:08 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (..._ _ _...)
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To: spectre

Have any anti’s spoken today?


42 posted on 05/23/2007 12:49:15 PM PDT by katieanna
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To: katieanna
I was out for awhile. But I haven't seen any.

They are voting on amendments to the Shamnesty bill.

sw

43 posted on 05/23/2007 12:51:08 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (..._ _ _...)
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To: spectre
Do you know what happened with Grassley's amendment? I thought that was scheduled for a vote about 90 minutes ago.

I'll bet it failed...

44 posted on 05/23/2007 1:02:22 PM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: truthkeeper
I don't know!

Now, they are supposed to be voting on the Graham and Gregg amendments.

This mess is very difficult for me to follow. It's mind boggling.

sw

45 posted on 05/23/2007 1:12:40 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (..._ _ _...)
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To: truthkeeper

This headline says the guest worker program has been slashed and capped at 200,000. Passed 74-24 over strong white house opposition. I don’t know if this was Grassleys amendment or not.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070523/ap_on_go_co/congress_immigration_68


46 posted on 05/23/2007 1:14:54 PM PDT by katieanna
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To: spectre

I think the Dems are losing control, finally. Let’s hope!


47 posted on 05/23/2007 1:18:50 PM PDT by acoulterfan
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To: katieanna
No, that was the Bingaman amendment. Imagine, they initially wanted to let in something like 600,000-800,000 per year. A deliberate bait-and-switch, IMHO. I think somehow they think "slashing" the number to 200,000 makes this mess more palatable to the common people.

They're wrong, of course.

48 posted on 05/23/2007 1:19:12 PM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: truthkeeper

Tell me-what does Grassley propose in his amendment and when will it be voted on?


49 posted on 05/23/2007 1:21:41 PM PDT by katieanna
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To: katieanna

As Sessions said right before the vote; the 400,000 was just a ploy to make the 200,000 that was voted on to be a compromise made by the pro-bill makers. We are going to hear about the Family Re-unification very soon for which they are probably getting worried about. This is going to be fun. Why, in deed, have we not heard the Grassley vote. Or did I miss it?


50 posted on 05/23/2007 1:23:34 PM PDT by acoulterfan
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To: truthkeeper

On another note, the Wall St. Journal reports that the Arizona Rep. Party has taken the unprecedented step of making public statements against Bush, McCain and Kyl. The Chairman will appear on Brit Hume and Hardball tonight. He is calling for other state GOP party heads to follow his lead. The WSJ also reported that Kyl is getting so much heat that he ‘could’ depart the ‘coalition’ of senators that crafted this thing, which the Journal (hopefully rightly) suggests that the whole thing would crumble then.


51 posted on 05/23/2007 1:24:29 PM PDT by katieanna
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To: katieanna
You mean to say that Kyl might cave in and do what his base elected him to do...represent them?

sw

52 posted on 05/23/2007 1:31:04 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (..._ _ _...)
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To: spectre

Duncan Hunter must be fuming!!!

It sounded to me like Kennedy was just admitting that contrary to what Spectre said (later), the border would NOT be secured before much of the bill is enacted. He blamed it on Chertoff...oh and he used a new catchphrase...’comprehensive border security’. LOL...That’s border security without border security.


53 posted on 05/23/2007 1:59:07 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (DUNCAN HUNTER '08.....lframerica.com.....MARCH TO TAKE BACK AMERICA)
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To: spectre

Oh I heard her....practically BRAGGING about how many illegals she’s got in her state!!!

And I was just saying, it’s about time for them to pull an Elian Gonzales....they’re due to play a public sympathy card on family reunification...they’ll go and time this with the arrest of Elvira and her son...you just watch!!

They make me sick!


54 posted on 05/23/2007 2:03:33 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (DUNCAN HUNTER '08.....lframerica.com.....MARCH TO TAKE BACK AMERICA)
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To: Kimberly GG

THEY’RE NOT EVEN FOLLOWING THE RULES!!!

Where are all the anti-illegal anti-amnesty Lawmakers....they’re going to blow this!


55 posted on 05/23/2007 2:05:14 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (DUNCAN HUNTER '08.....lframerica.com.....MARCH TO TAKE BACK AMERICA)
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To: katieanna
The WSJ also reported that Kyl is getting so much heat that he ‘could’ depart the ‘coalition’ of senators that crafted this thing, which the Journal (hopefully rightly) suggests that the whole thing would crumble then.

From their lips to God's ear!

56 posted on 05/23/2007 2:10:05 PM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: Guenevere

Probably refers to anyone who says they are just doing ‘humanitarian’ work. I’m guessing it could be anybody...which flys in the face of the existing laws that make it ILLEGAL to do anything to ‘encourage’ illegal immigration.


57 posted on 05/23/2007 2:13:02 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (DUNCAN HUNTER '08.....lframerica.com.....MARCH TO TAKE BACK AMERICA)
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To: truthkeeper
So far the Grassley Amendment is being discussed. This amendment would dump the judicial review/appeal process of a revoked visa (in the current and new law) and make the process similar to that of a denied visa. Inotherwords, GO HOME.
Grassley pointed out that under this legislation, even terrorists can appeal a revoked visa.

I pulled this from my initial post at the top of the thread...it describes Grassley's amendment. I'm still wondering if they've voted on it yet...no one seems to know. The Rats were framing their opposition as a "due process" thingy.

They may have voted and we all just missed it.

58 posted on 05/23/2007 2:13:25 PM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: Kimberly GG
They stammering like a bunch fools, heading off into every direction. The idiots don't know what they are voting on and they are making up statistics as they go along.

Who ARE these people and what are they doing to us?

sw

59 posted on 05/23/2007 2:13:37 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (..._ _ _...)
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To: spectre

And why are they getting away with it? I’m listening, but not in front of the tv...but it sounds to me like the only person fighting this thing is Gregg? How are they even being allowed to vote?...shoot...I just went and looked...it looks like there are a number of people there...did they lock out the folks on our side? Or don’t we have any? LOL


60 posted on 05/23/2007 2:17:19 PM PDT by Kimberly GG (DUNCAN HUNTER '08.....lframerica.com.....MARCH TO TAKE BACK AMERICA)
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