[Clemenza]

Bush's foreign policy is not conservative. It is Wilsonian nation building.

Yep. Truer words were never spoken on this thread.

BTW: Don't forget how the populists and immigrants became heavy influences on the Dems in the second half of the 19th century, and that in New York from the Civil War on, the GOP WAS the conservative party.

It sickens me how the Southrons parrot the old lies about the Dems being "conservative." Not in any sense of the word. Jefferson was a Jacobin hypocrite, whose greatest achievement in life was a real estate deal. I love the Declaration, but in terms of political thought, he can't hold a candle to Hamilton, Madison, and Jay.

[billbears]

Bush's foreign policy is not conservative. It is Wilsonian nation building

On that we can agree. Although we'll agree to disagree on the other bit, lol