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Did You See This from Mike Chertoff on Friday?
National Review ^ | May 21 | Kathryn Jean Lopez

Posted on 05/21/2007 6:55:22 PM PDT by PghBaldy

MICHAEL CHERTOFF, HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY: You know, Wolf, first, I understand there's *** some people who expect anything other than capital punishment is an amnesty. *** The reality is the proposal here requires people who came in illegally who want to stay to pay a penalty. Like a fine. That's a punishment. That's not an amnesty.


TOPICS: Mexico; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; chertoff; immigration
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To: umgud
“I don’t expect that we can round them all up either. I do think that we can secure our borders and provide interior enforcement first, then prepare a system of employee verification that’s much less than a national ID. We can deport every illegal as they have run-ins with law enforcement. We can withdraw most incentives and then most illegals will self-deport. Then, if we still need cheap labor, we can invite them in from their home countries after careful screening.”

Well said. I would add a few things to start. Deported criminals may NEVER return for ANY reason. Next, Those who stay will be REQUIRED to self register immediately, time limit of 6 months. Any illegal not registering will be a criminal and fall into the first rule I mentioned. Those who register will be required to under go a check of records in the U.S. for expenses they have incurred using public or private assistance.

Any expenses such as use of ANY public service must be repaid...for example, if they visited a hospital and did not pay a bill, they have 6 months to do that also. They also must repay any government monies they owe for use of our services. Failure to repay makes them a person NEVER eligible to receive citizenship here.

No more anchor babies. No more student visas with out a ankle tracker. All illegals wishing citizenship must have a sponsor.. who must also where a tracker and the visitor must wear a ankle tracker until citizenship is earned. All who visit from other countries also must wear a tracking device.

There are more but they should not be here at all. If they want to, then comply. Any country wishing to have their citizens here for application for citizenship must pay for ALL expenses our governments have incurred in caring for the illegals to date. Failure to do so within 1 year will result in all from those countries being expelled. Any monies owed will be deducted from any U.S. aid those countries are to receive.

Let’s remember, they are illegals.

81 posted on 05/21/2007 7:45:59 PM PDT by JSteff
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To: papasmurf
Which one?

Bush praising Islam?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010917-11.html

(Read the Koran - the is a lie).

or this:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/113473

Notice Rice states that our greatest legacy would be the formation of a state for people who CHEERED 9/11!!!!!!!

Disgusting.

82 posted on 05/21/2007 7:46:16 PM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: South40

Immigration of this variety is one of our best means to infiltrate the enemy.

Exposing them to American ideals and sending them back is cheaper than sending our military back to get them when they are propagandizing death to America.


83 posted on 05/21/2007 7:46:31 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: lonestar67
“Fatah kills Hamas”

Soviets killed Nazis.

Regardless, Fatah is just Hamas with less honest public relations. They both have the SAME GOALS. It’s just a matter of which Muslim terror group is left in charge to wipe out Israel and contribute to the Jihad against us.

84 posted on 05/21/2007 7:47:40 PM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: FredHunter08

How much are democrats paying you to work on these boards?


85 posted on 05/21/2007 7:47:49 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: baa39
Simply enforce the laws that have been on the books for decades,

Maybe Chertoff's whining is a good sign they don't think amnesty will make it through the Senate. Then poor Mikey will have to actually enforce the laws.

86 posted on 05/21/2007 7:48:17 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: lonestar67
“Immigration of this variety is one of our best means to infiltrate the enemy.”

It is they who are infiltrating us. If that’s the WH’s strategy, they really are idiots.

87 posted on 05/21/2007 7:48:17 PM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: lonestar67
“How much are democrats paying you to work on these boards?”

Not nearly as much as they pay you and those like you to destroy the Republican Party.

88 posted on 05/21/2007 7:49:00 PM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: FredHunter08

Yes, and the democratic process combined with subsequent internal civil wars provides a spiral toward sanity.

The least anti semitic hater wins cold hard cash from America.

Its a win win win.


89 posted on 05/21/2007 7:49:14 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: FredHunter08

You Gen Michael Weiner? Sure sounds like it. Ciao.


90 posted on 05/21/2007 7:49:45 PM PDT by pissant
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To: FredHunter08

They infiltrate us but we cannot infiltrate them.

Is that because Americans are innately inferior?


91 posted on 05/21/2007 7:50:31 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: lonestar67
“Yes, and the democratic process combined with subsequent internal civil wars provides a spiral toward sanity.”

Boy are you going to be in for a surprise. Democracy doesn’t bring freedom. It brings tyranny. Ask the Athenians.

“The least anti semitic hater wins cold hard cash from America.”

Oh, come on. They both have EXACTLY THE SAME GOALS. The only difference is, Fatah isn’t honest about them in ENGLISH.

“Its a win win win.”

More like “lose lose lose”.

92 posted on 05/21/2007 7:50:55 PM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: JSteff

Gud points!


93 posted on 05/21/2007 7:51:02 PM PDT by umgud ("When seconds count, the police are just 10 minutes away!")
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To: rbg81
They seem to be doing the best they can to make sure we get as many Third Worlders in here as we can—Al Queda as well. I can’t even begin to guess at their motivations, but protecting the American people sure ain’t one of ‘em.

That's the $64,000 question. Their actions make no sense at all.

1. No way do I believe they are that stupid - you don't get where these people are by being stupid. You do it by wanting power & control.

2. They are defying the will of the American people on this & now they are trying to rush it through. Something is motivating them to get this done now - before what?

3. Who does this hurt the most? The poor will still get their welfare & freebie everything. The rich will get even richer because they have cheaper labor & other costs. The middle-class will be left having to pay the bill for all these illegal's healthcare & education needs.

If you follow it through logically - the ONLY conclusion you can come to is that the country club republicans and the dumbocrat elites are in cahoots. They just pass the reins back & forth to each other when we all start getting REALLY outraged & to let us think that our votes really count for something - to placate the masses.

All through history until these last 230 and some years - the rich elites have ruled over the peasant masses. The United States of America upset that cushy plan for them with that thing called "Freedom" & they want their elite class back.

The middle class is so screwed right now.

94 posted on 05/21/2007 7:51:47 PM PDT by alicewonders (Duncan Hunter. Seriously.)
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To: PghBaldy

Chertoff was a great prosecutor. What he is stating is the mantra of the Administration he serves.

Blame the man responsible for the statements, not the mouthpiece which frames them and that man is sitting in the White House.


95 posted on 05/21/2007 7:52:03 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: lonestar67
“Is that because Americans are innately inferior?”

We’re politically correct and have an open society. That is used against us. This is happening all over the West. I’m sure you’ll applaud your new Muslim overlords.

96 posted on 05/21/2007 7:52:04 PM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: vetsvette
[.. The worst of it is that this is the clown we depend on to protect our borders. Jorge must have his head in a VERY dark place. ..]

or WORSE... he knows exactly what he is doing.. He is democrats secret weapon..

97 posted on 05/21/2007 7:52:09 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: lonestar67
Immigration of this variety is one of our best means to infiltrate the enemy.

It may also be one of their bast means of getting closer to your family to kill them.

Exposing them to American ideals and sending them back is cheaper than sending our military back to get them when they are propagandizing death to America.

That assumes they're willing to go back and they're not here to kill you, your family or mine. Personally, I'm not ready to take that chance with such fanatics.

Saudi Publications of Hate Ideology Fill American Mosques

98 posted on 05/21/2007 7:52:13 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS Is A Slap In The Face To The USBP!!)
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To: South40

Do you have any idea how we bust terror cells? Thought not.


99 posted on 05/21/2007 7:52:17 PM PDT by pissant
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To: hosepipe
“He is democrats secret weapon..”

We done been played. The smirk was directed at us.

100 posted on 05/21/2007 7:53:16 PM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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