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Spain probing if sunken treasure taken illegally
Reuters ^ | 05/21/07 | Ben Harding

Posted on 05/21/2007 4:32:22 PM PDT by nypokerface

MADRID (Reuters) - Spain is investigating whether one of the world's biggest-ever finds of sunken treasure was plundered from its waters or from a shipwrecked Spanish galleon, the government said on Monday.

Florida-based treasure hunters Odyssey Marine Exploration said on Friday it had legally recovered gold and silver coins worth an estimated $500 million from a colonial-era wreck code-named Black Swan at an undisclosed location in the Atlantic Ocean.

Spain's Culture Ministry called the discovery suspicious and said the booty could have come from a wrecked Spanish galleon or the remains of HMS Sussex off the coast of Gibraltar, which Spain and Britain have allowed Odyssey to survey.

"Both taking (treasure) from Spanish waters or a Spanish vessel that sunk outside Spanish waters would be illegal," a spokeswoman for the ministry said.

"The Culture Ministry reported the suspicion of possible criminal plundering and we alerted the civil guard (police) who are investigating."

Gibraltar's government said the haul had nothing to do with the Sussex, a British flagship which sank in a storm in 1694.

But Ministry of Defense personnel in Gibraltar said an Odyssey ship berthed in Gibraltar's naval dock last week and a specially chartered American Airlines plane landed in the British colony on Wednesday before loading cargo and flying to Tampa, Florida, where Odyssey is headquartered.

SECRET MISSION

Odyssey said it knew nothing of a Spanish investigation and said that at no point did its recovery mission come within Spanish jurisdiction -- a point it would be happy to prove.

"The recovery was conducted in conformity with Salvage Law and the Law of the Sea Convention, beyond the territorial waters or legal jurisdiction of any country," the company said in a statement.

"We do not believe that the recovery is subject to sovereign immunity by any nation pursuant to the Law of the Sea Convention."

The coins were brought to the United States with a "valid export license granted by the country from which they were exported, and imported legally pursuant to U.S. law," it said.

Odyssey said it would announce the identity of the shipwreck only after it had been confirmed by research and would release more details of the coins once they had all been documented.

Research suggests the 80-cannon Sussex was on a secret mission to northern Italy to deliver a massive cargo of coins to the Duke of Savoy in return for fighting France.

The duke eventually changed sides, which historians speculate was because he failed to receive the British payment and instead gave in to French bribes.

British newspapers have speculated that Odyssey's mystery treasure ship was the Merchant Royal which sank just off the southern tip of England in 1641.

However, the area has always been packed with shipping routes and could have been used by Spanish galleons taking gold and silver to the Spanish Netherlands or even by the Spanish Armada as it sailed to attack England in 1588.

News of the discovery, which yielded gold and over 17 metric tons of silver coins, shot Odyssey's shares more than 60 percent higher on Friday. They were up another 6 percent on Monday.


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1 posted on 05/21/2007 4:32:27 PM PDT by nypokerface
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To: nypokerface

Good to see Spanish piracy is still alive and well.


2 posted on 05/21/2007 4:39:35 PM PDT by D.P.Roberts (Doing my part to build Uh-merica)
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To: D.P.Roberts

Doesnt anyone expect to work for their wealth any more?


3 posted on 05/21/2007 4:45:59 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: nypokerface

The idea that a spanish vessel lost at sea 400 years ago is somehow spanish property is absurd.


4 posted on 05/21/2007 4:53:03 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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The idea that a spanish vessel lost at sea 400 years ago is somehow spanish property is absurd.

You may have forgotten. The current Spanish government is Socialist. This is SOP for any Socialist government.

5 posted on 05/21/2007 5:00:07 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Withhold Taxes - Starve a Liberal)
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To: nypokerface

Hey Spain, let’s talk about all that gold and other riches you plundered from Latin America.


6 posted on 05/21/2007 5:01:12 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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When did Latin America sink into the ocean? Oh, no, when global warming hits us, we’ll ALL be targets for plundering.

HEAD FOR THE HILLS!


7 posted on 05/21/2007 5:02:48 PM PDT by Silly (http://www.sarcasmoff.com)
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To: Cowboy Bob

Well, from what I can tell this is SOP for any government. If I ever found such treasure, I would just quietly sell it off over time.


8 posted on 05/21/2007 5:03:59 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: nypokerface

“Finders keepers losers weepers”


9 posted on 05/21/2007 5:07:22 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: dfwgator

And all the STDs they left.


10 posted on 05/21/2007 5:09:37 PM PDT by relictele
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To: nypokerface
So can we expect to see Spanish galleons massing off the Florida coast? But wait - hasn’t Spain gone pacifist now?
11 posted on 05/21/2007 5:27:44 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: dfwgator

Too funny! You stole the gold after we stole the gold!


12 posted on 05/21/2007 5:27:47 PM PDT by BigBobber
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To: nypokerface

Spain and it’s Culture? Minister should both go pi$$ up a rope!!


13 posted on 05/21/2007 5:58:27 PM PDT by GoldenPup
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So can we expect to see Spanish galleons massing off the Florida coast? But wait - hasn’t Spain gone pacifist now?

no just portuguese man-uf-wars (or men-of-war if you prefer).


14 posted on 05/21/2007 5:58:55 PM PDT by bravo whiskey (everybody's shot. drive the truck)
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To: Rodney King

Why? Admiralty law is pretty clear on that. If it’s a ship of the line, it remains the property of that country in perpetuity.

On the other hand, Spain sent a truly humongous load (about 11 billion in todays dollars) of gold to the Soviet Union for “safekeeping” prior to World War II. Oops.


15 posted on 05/21/2007 6:02:44 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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Why? Admiralty law is pretty clear on that. If it’s a ship of the line, it remains the property of that country in perpetuity.

Outside of admiralty law, it is a well respected concept that if you leave property abandoned, others can take it i.e. adverse possession. There is a good reason for adverse possession laws: They improve the lot of all because they put productive assets to work. The same should hold true for assets. The fact that they are under the sea and 300 years old only reinforces that Spain should not have a claim.

16 posted on 05/21/2007 6:05:29 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Rodney King

Well, sure. But we’re not outside of admiralty law.


17 posted on 05/21/2007 6:07:35 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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18 posted on 05/22/2007 8:42:37 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 22, 2007.)
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To: nypokerface

Considering that Spain plundered most of its gold and silver from others, it has no reason to squawk.


19 posted on 05/22/2007 12:31:44 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Afghan protest - "Death to Dog Washers!")
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To: Rodney King

“If I ever found such treasure, I would just quietly sell it off over time.”

Yep that’s what I do.


20 posted on 05/22/2007 12:34:22 PM PDT by CJ Wolf
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