Posted on 05/21/2007 1:10:52 PM PDT by The Ghost of JG
“For me it’s not too clear why some people are making bio-fuels,” said Cortez. “If you are making fuel from corn, then really you are just making a disguised gas,” which has high emissions.
Cortez argued that bio-fuels should only be made if they are “clean,” with a policy to lower emissions.
According to Cortez, for this reason the use of corn for the production of bio-fuels is not ideal, whereas sugar-cane could be. Otherwise it is just a policy to meet “social demands,” Cortez said, alluding to recent measures in the United States to implement funding of bio-fuels.
“It is very wrong to make bio-fuels from food crops. You have to design and develop an industry that is responsible,” Cortez said. “If we want to be serious about bio-diesel, then we need to redraw the entire industry.”
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Sugar cane is a food crop, genius.
Too bad our Congress, a Division of ADM, has such high tariffs against Brazilian eth!
That's what I said about the demoniac-rats in 1968.
That tariff expires in 2009. if I remember correctly. Right now they can just send their ethanol for drying to a neighboring CBI country and avoid the tariff.
If ethanol for fuel is such a great idea, why not make it out of ethane from natural gas, and ozone? That would give us fuel, plus drinking alcohol, PLUS fresh air....pure oxygen! C2H6 + O3 = C2H5OH + O2 In refinery volumes! Believe it!
How much energy is consumed in the production compared to the energy available in the product?
Their energy indepedence is mostly due to oil production, not ethanol.
Brazil is showing us how it’s done.
Sorry, but that’s a fact.
Happy to see that you are still around!
The Whole Ethanol/sugar cane scenario isn’t flying in the states because the MPG is less it cost More to Produce then the Distribution system is not their but through trucks not pipelines and CO2 impact by that elimantes any Benefit of lower CO2 which is the ultimate excersize..
BTW have you ever smelled Cooked Sugar cane or sugar Cane exhaust it is obnoxious....
Please correct me if I’m wrong. I’m under the impression that if I were to, today, buy a fuel-efficient diesel powered small car, I could:
1) Run it on vegetable oil, purchased straight from the grocery store. (I live in a temperate climate)
2) Pay less per gallon of vegetable oil, than gas costs now (even before it goes up again).
3) Get significantly better mileage / gallon of vegetable oil, than an equivalent car would in gas.
No?
If that’s true (and I think it is), the free market is about to go absolutely *wild* responding to this opportunity.
Fortunes are about to be made.
Serious fortunes.
Like, Microsoft. IBM. Standard Oil, type fortunes.
Will American companies lead the way?
The idea is that in burning a bio-fuel you are releasing carbon that that was taken up when the crop grew. The carbon cycle is crop -> Fuel -> atmosphere -> crop; with no net increase in atmospheric carbon. The Blow-back is higher prices for food crops and clearing of land to plant the crops.
Their energy indepedence is mostly due to oil production, not ethanol.
^^
To say it again....
Most people believe in the illusion because it’s huge propaganda for the left.
Nothing wrong with alternatives, and I’m totally for them...they just have to make sense and demonstrate competitive cost.
What is or national trade deficit?
What is our national trade deficit in oil?
We need to declare independence from foreign oil.
We need to start now.
If we wait until our supply is disrupted, as it without question will be, at some point, it will be too late.
This is not about tree-hugging leftists.
It’s national security.
We really, really need to stop funding our enemies.
Agreed, but the methods of doing so vary. I favor the most efficient manner possible....Brazil isn’t necessarily that example.
I wish vegetable or palm oil in Malaysia Indonesia worked as well.... I thougt Ethanol is coming up like 30% short in MPG...and it is subsidized by 41 cents a Gallon.. plus 49 cents in state federal sales and excise tax not real competitive. almost a Buck in taxes...
The critical thing for all this is no environmental Impact after factoring in Fertilizera nd trucking system for delivery since pipelines not built..
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