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To: Cacique

“This is like saying that Naziism is the problem, not the Nazi party. Give me a break.”

No, it isn’t at all.


33 posted on 05/20/2007 8:30:08 PM PDT by nuconvert ([there are bad people in the pistachio business] (...but his head is so tiny...))
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To: nuconvert; Cacique; Valin
I read the entire article. So what. We’re supposed to go through 200 years of trauma while Islam contemplates its navel and discovers it really isn’t a religion after all? Why don’t you go study Islam for yourself. Then maybe you’d know what it really has in mind for the rest of the world. There isn't enough lipstick to put on this pig.
37 posted on 05/20/2007 8:44:54 PM PDT by Cornpone (Islam: The world's greatest, preventable and treatable psychosis. ©2006Cornpone)
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To: nuconvert
I beg to differ. Islam is the ideology. If one believes in the ideology then one can claim to be devout. Otherwise he is a cafeteria Muslim, which I accept there are many, just as there are many cafeteria catholics who pick and chose the parts they like about their religion and reject what they do not. The problem is that you can strip all these cafeteria Muslims and catholics but the institutions i.e. the ideologies remain.

Dr. Jasser wants to have his cake and eat it too.

Also, islam unlike judaism and christianity have no hierarchical structures where there is one individual who could proclaim ex cathedra changes in doctrine. The reformation and Renaissance were able to work because the changes in doctrine were forced from below but proclaimed from the top. This allowed the eventual divorce of secular society from the authority of the church and a rather different apporach to religion. Just as you cannot divorce communists from communist doctrine or nazis from nazi doctrine, you cannot divorce Ilsamists from Islam. We still live with communism and communists to this day because the ideology was not defeated and completely destroyed, leaving open the excuse that the problem was with the leaders rather than the doctrine. Naziism on the other hand, was for all practical purposes destroyed when Germany was left a pile of rubble to rub in the idea that they followed a failed and utterly destructive ideology. I realize thayt Dr. Jasser has hopes for reformation and change from "moderates" like him. Unfortunately the truly devout cannot but consider him an apostate. And that even "moderate" Muslims try to avoid being accused of being.

41 posted on 05/20/2007 8:59:55 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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