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Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 20 May 2007
Various big media television networks ^ | 20 May 2007 | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces

Posted on 05/20/2007 5:26:04 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!

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To: MNJohnnie

Yep.


381 posted on 05/20/2007 10:36:49 AM PDT by Checkers (Name another U.S. President who has done more to combat illegal immigration than George W. Bush.)
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To: bray
So what do you do when you run out of American workers?? With 4% unemployment/FULL EMPLOYMENT, where do you find more workers?? Do you still send the 10 million employed back to Mexico? Do you close those businesses who use them like Walmart??

We won't be running out of them anytime soon. Our population will increase by 63 million in the next 23 years or the equivalent of the current population of the UK. We will do what we have always done to make our workers more productive, increase technology and automation. The idea that our 21st Century economy is dependent upon the poor and uneducated of Latin America to be competitive is nonsense. Why do you think the current bill doubles H1B visas next year and triples them the following year, going from 65,000 to 115,000 to 180,000? We need educated, skilled people to contribute to our economy. Under the current chain migration policies, we are bringing in people who will be a drain on our society, and it will make it less diverse with 58% of all LEGAL immigrants now coming from Latin America. That percentage will go up significantly if this bill passes.

And what happens when this enomony goes into a downturn as it surely will as part of the normal economic cycle and we have unemployment rates of 6% or 7%? What do we do with the "excess" workers?

382 posted on 05/20/2007 10:37:16 AM PDT by kabar
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To: snugs

Our situation in the USA is slightly different, in that companies can relocate within the USA to obtain lower wages for jobs requiring more skills than low-wage immigrants can offer. A company I recently retired from for example moved its automated manufacturing operations from California to Utah where the business environment is much more friendlier and wages more competitive. It helped that the cost of power in Utah is much less than that of California. But the company also moved its manual assembly operations to Mexico to avoid the high cost of such labor here in the USA. They are now as I understand it have decided to import many manufacturing components from China, much like they have been doing from Taiwan for many years.

Whether we like it or not the globalization of industries will continue and we have to adapt to such changes as best we can, including controlling our own borders and limiting out of control spending, especially entitlements, from a reckless Congress.


383 posted on 05/20/2007 10:38:44 AM PDT by gpapa
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To: Diogenesis

I have seen several articles by and about Sandra Day O’Connor since she retired...she seems to believe that she is still a law unto herself. Certainly has no problem with low self-esteem.


384 posted on 05/20/2007 10:39:01 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Thanks congress and Presidente Bush, I'm feeling very non-multi-culti today!)
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To: anita

When I saw the line-up for the Fox show, I just shook my head...FNC has totally lost me as a viewer except for Brit.


386 posted on 05/20/2007 10:40:11 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Thanks congress and Presidente Bush, I'm feeling very non-multi-culti today!)
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To: poinq

No. We can do those ‘dirty’ jobs ourselves.


387 posted on 05/20/2007 10:40:21 AM PDT by gpapa
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To: All
As always thanks for the interesting chat - off to dish dinner up Roast chicken for main meal and dad and I are taking a trip back to childhood for seconds. Jelly and Ice cream with tinned tangerines.

See you all next week

388 posted on 05/20/2007 10:40:27 AM PDT by snugs ((An English Cheney Chick - Big Time))
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To: bray

—I personally work with a number of lumber companies that cannot find enough American labor to do their work.— Yes, that is true at my wife’s employer as well. But its an educational problem. Schools aren’t producing kids with blue collar skills. Yesterday I learned from a neighbor that teachers are not allowed to have kids study their rulers divisions below 1/4 inch!!!!! Madness!!!!!

At the same time we have marginalized young men in the ghetto who don’t know what it is to have a good, solid job. Maybe its unrealistic in lumber products, but a mild labor shortage would be good for the low end of our labor market.

The employer takes a second look at the kid in the ghetto, the kid starts his climb out of poverty and we all benefit as a society.


389 posted on 05/20/2007 10:41:09 AM PDT by sgtyork (Liberalism worthy of the name emphasizes freedom of the individual, democracy and the rule of law.)
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To: Morgan in Denver
Republicans tend to focus on issues while Democrats are skilled at the politics of personal destruction and using the media to their benefit.

Morgan, I see the last part of your statement as the other way around. The dems are not using the media to their benefit so much as the media is using the dems to their benefit.

Or let me put it another way. The dems and the vast majority of the DBM are one in the same. That is why it's so easy for someone like George Stephenopolus to go from political campaign manager for a dem president, to Bimbo Squad goon, and right back into journalism without a single comment form his colleagues as to the propriety of that. And, now, just to say it, I offer a prediction. When the Bush administration is gone and Tony Snow moves on to another journalist job, watch the stink his so-called colleagues will make. What's good for Stephanopolus, Lanny Davis, Paul Begela, Chris Matthews, Tim Russert, Joe Lockhart, James Carville, ad nauseum; will not matter when Tony steps down.

But I digress. My point is that the worldview of the Left, represented by the Democratic Party of the USA, is the same worldview of most journalists (the few that do not share this worldview is minuscule) reporting the political news of the world and our country. Regardless of their attempts to not show bias, it shines through because their very thought processes are filled with this bias. That's how Dan Rather, for example, can get away with calling Ted Kennedy a moderate, or stating on O'Reilly that he thinks Bill Clinton is an honest man.

The major world view of the Left is simple and replete with the anti-establishment screeds of the 1960's era antiwar activists. To wit, this is the worldview we're up against (no particular order):

War is bad, especially if something as mighty and moral as the USA is fighting it.
White, Anglo-Saxon, Christian culture is oppressive and subjagating.
Recreational drug use is cool and no big deal.
If it feels good, do it!
Judge not (leave out the rest). Who are YOU to say what's wrong?
Democrats care about the people and the workers.
Republicans care about money and businesses.
Liberals are non-racist free spirited good hearts who just want to help.
Conservatives are tightwads who are sexually repressed, and only care about themselves.
Conservatives are, at the worst racist, and at the best secretly believe whites are superior.
Religious people are stupid myth believers.
Atheists are people who are smart enough to figure out the truth on their own.

I could go on and on.

It's no surprise then, when an appeal by President Bush, for example, to the country to support our troops and our mission in Iraq, falls on deaf ears and is relegated, if at all, to the back of the newscast. They don't understand. Now Cindy Sheehan crying about people's sons being killed in Iraq for no good reason is intimately understood by them, as this is the view they too share.

In essense, the driveby media are made from the same cloth as the liberal wing of the democratic party. And we allow them to report on the political discourse of this country, continuously misrepresenting our beliefs and positions while fully symphathizing with all that we oppose.

The thing that is most surprising is that there's any Republicans or Conservatives at all!

391 posted on 05/20/2007 10:42:03 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: anita
Just heard Arlen Specter talking about AG. He says no confidence vote means nothing,
but AG should resign because of it.

Just another example of "W" being loyal and true,
just to get slapped in the face, again, and again.

392 posted on 05/20/2007 10:43:59 AM PDT by ThreePuttinDude ()... ??...()
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To: MNJohnnie

“That the whole reason your clique keeps losing every single political fight you enter. You all are so pompously certain of your own political infallibility that you simply fail to recognize how on the PR front you are your own worst enemies.
Ranting and raving like lunatics may make you all feel better, it does nothing to advance your agenda.”

yep


394 posted on 05/20/2007 10:44:59 AM PDT by Checkers (Name another U.S. President who has done more to combat illegal immigration than George W. Bush.)
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To: angkor
Nope sorry, still nothing resembling intellectual coherence. You know, some times the best thing is for a person to just accept their personal limitations. It pretty clear rational thought is not one of your strong suits. Perhaps you should just focus on what you are good at. I mean the parrot imitation you do is pretty remarkable. Why don’t you focus on that instead? Maybe if you tried parroting comedians instead of talk radio hosts you might actually connect with an audience.
395 posted on 05/20/2007 10:46:35 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (If you will try being smarter, I will try being nicer.)
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To: mathluv

Thank you for saying that! I thought I was beginning to doubt what I’ve read many times. Maybe some parts of the bill are objectionable, and many people have good reason to dislike them. But some parts might have merit. I just wish that someone could go through it, bit by bit, and say what is bad or good about it. That way people might debate it without all of this poisonous vitriol.

You’ve got all these people all over this board (and yes, even all over Lucianne.com as well)screaming about it. They shout down everybody that might support some parts of it, they also scream about how the President is a traitor, and a tyrant, and a evil man who sold out his base, well you get the gist of it. It is enough to turn a person’s stomach.

I’m getting so I can’t stand to look at many parts of this website and other websites anymore because these people have taken over them. Maybe when a lot of the fire cools on this issue a little, and people can look at the bill more thoroughly and sanely, they can debate the bad and the good in it. Hopefully, they can find something to like and keep, and get rid of what they don’t like.

Because of the realities of what happened last Fall, there has to be a little bit more give and take that usual. They have to learn to work together somehow. I hate it that the Democrats have the upper hand now. But in order to keep the country going, we have to find a way to work with them.

Maybe there are still some Democrats who will work with Republicans(and the President)left, and will support Republicans on other crucial issues as well. We can’t afford to drive off the friendlier ones!(Dems)


396 posted on 05/20/2007 10:46:42 AM PDT by dsutah
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To: kabar

That is the real issue. I think they are trying to shove this on us when the economy is doing well and everyone is fat and happy. Wait until we have a recession. My how things will change. I remember in the early 80s when people in Ohio were happy to get jobs at Pizza Hut. American people will work rather than take freebees off the govt.

My daughter is 16, does not have to work, but works at a fast food restaurant because she is industrious and has a good work ethic. She works with other nice kids who are equally hardworking. Saying that we need illegals to do the jobs that Americans won’t do is an insult to my kid.


397 posted on 05/20/2007 10:49:03 AM PDT by lone star annie
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To: txradioguy
Make sense or am I just rambling?

You pretty much hit it on the head

398 posted on 05/20/2007 10:50:05 AM PDT by ThreePuttinDude ()... ??...()
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To: txradioguy

Wrong, most of them have fake ID and are counted on the unemployment number.

PRay for W and Our Troops


399 posted on 05/20/2007 10:52:11 AM PDT by bray (The co-clintons freed more terrorists than they killed)
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To: snugs

Finally a voice of reason! They are behaving like children throwing tantrums all over the place, aren’t they?


400 posted on 05/20/2007 10:52:14 AM PDT by dsutah
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