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To: TADSLOS; Diogenesis; PGalt; gotribe; sergeantdave; snowsislander; grey_whiskers; tioga; ...
[adding you guys to the #64 post to wildcatclan to get your response]

Only girly-men are worried about being poisoned. So what, 107 detained food imports from China last month, and that’s what they caught....

Let's play your game. Let's use real data, k?

Your point is that if x% of Chinese imports are bad, then ban all Chinese imports, right?

Ok, so let's look at the USDA site and apply that reasoning across the board. Fair enough?

How many of the below are Chinese imports?

How many are Oklahoma? Do you think this is a comprehensive list of -all- the 'poisonous' food out there on grocery store shelves?

If you want to make idiotic assertions that I want to eat chicom poison, then I apologize for responding rationally to you.

If you want to discuss this rationally, then I would merely try to make the point that the ENTIRE food chain is precarious in America, from -all- sources internal and external, precisely because it is assumed that the FedGov keeps complete control over it.

Scare articles like this do us a disservice because it tries to divert attention to the 'dirty scary chicoms' and away from the real culprits: our federal buraeucracy -coupled with- the American peoples' lazy reliance on the Fedgov (think IRS, TSA, CIA) to keep them safe.

Open Federal Cases
Product Recalled Date of Recall
024-2007, Chicken Sausage Products May 18, 2007
023-2007, Beef Products (PDF Only) May 11, 2007
022-2007, Beef Trim Products (PDF Only) May 10, 2007
021-2007, Ready-to-Eat Turkey Products May 1, 2007
020-2007, Ground Beef Products (PDF Only) Apr 20, 2007
019-2007, Beef Products (PDF Only) | Labels for Retail Products (PDF Only) Apr 20, 2007
018-2007, Soppressata (Salami) Product Apr 18, 2007
017-2007, Smoked Sausage Products Apr 13, 2007
016-2007, Bacon Mar 27, 2007
012-2007, Chicken Breast Strips Feb 28, 2007
(Expanded)

Feb 18, 2007
013-2007, Semi-Boneless Ham Steaks Feb 27, 2007
011-2007, Pasta and Meatballs in Marinara Sauce Dinner Kit Feb 12, 2007
010-2007, Pasta Entrees for Toddlers Feb 5, 2007

77 posted on 05/20/2007 6:54:03 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine

Bump for later response.........after I get my seedlings in the field :)


91 posted on 05/20/2007 7:04:49 AM PDT by Gabz
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To: sam_paine
Ok Sam, just as a layman speaking here.

For the most part, Chinese companies ain't to concerned with issues like quality control and very few companies in China adhere to any international standards whatsoever.

Chinese production reminds me of the late 1800's in the West.

Even where I live in Southeast Asia, the governments here have recently and in the past taken a closer look at items made in China. There have been several cases over here that I recall of women dropping dead from slimming pills made in China.

Many people drop dead around the world from Chinese products - it ain't the same for products made in the USA or many of the Western countries.

If I had a choice in US food products or Chinese, I would choose USA food products ~ and at a greater expense to myself here I often do.

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

104 posted on 05/20/2007 7:13:14 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: sam_paine
Nice try Sam.

First, I agree that too many consumers blithely rely of the government -- but what other choice do they have?

The supply chain is too complex for consumers to follow, and often difficult for the companies themselves. The more so when feedstock materials are purchased from brokers on the spot market.

Clicking on a couple of the links from your table...

The Oscar Meyer bacon was insufficiently cooled during processing.

The ham steaks were possibly contaminated with Listeria monocytogenes

The meatball pasta was underprocessed.

While these are bad, they are not the same as deliberately adulterating the feedstock with industrial chemicals in order to inflate desirable values in the nutrient assay.

Cheers!

108 posted on 05/20/2007 7:18:15 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: sam_paine
Used to be that a certificate from the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture acting as a certifying authority as to what constituted food of a given type was considered a badge of honor by food makers, and honored in regulatory requirement by other states.

That role of a State-based authority was subsumed by the Federal Government -- by the constitutionally loathsome overreach and by-centralism's-very-nature despotic centralization carried out by our well-pensioned and well-"connected" FDA bureaucrats of the upper reaches of G-level-dom.

Now the FDA has become a publicly undeniable utter failure of a watchdog. NOT one of its manifold areas of watch can any longer be trusted.

Thus there now exists the market opportunity for private certification solutions, and for honest businesses to market the value-added of scruples and honesty.

179 posted on 05/20/2007 9:57:41 AM PDT by bvw
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Sam, I'm thinking the FDA needs to start looking at more imported human food products. Some on that list are not going to be on our table for a while. I don't think this passes the smell test. If it smells like a skunk, looks like a skunk, walks like a skunk, it ain't a turkey.
195 posted on 05/20/2007 12:26:14 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Guns don't kill people. None of my guns ever left the house at night and killed anyone.)
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To: sam_paine; All

Thanks for the ping sam_paine. Revisiting a very good thread...all 219 posts.


220 posted on 05/20/2007 6:34:34 PM PDT by PGalt
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