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Mich. GOP head wants to ban presidential candidate from debates
05/17/07 | JIM DAVENPORT

Posted on 05/17/2007 8:25:59 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3

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To: mkjessup

May 15th GOP Presidential Debate

In a May 15, 2007 GOP debate in South Carolina, Ron Paul took a close second (25%) to Mitt Romney, who received the most votes (29%) in a Fox News sponsored text messaging poll.[31] On other sites, such as ABC News and MSNBC, Paul was the night’s winner, according to respondents.

Congressman Paul commented how America’s history of interventionism in the Middle East has led to an unpopular view of the U.S. in Middle Eastern countries. Agreeing with what has previously been asserted by the 9/11 Commission Report and the CIA’s specialists on al Qaeda, Paul stated that the CIA removal of an elected Iranian leader (the 1953 removal of the democratically elected leader of Iran, Mohammed Mosaddeq in Operation Ajax) and the bombing of Iraq in the 1990’s, culminating in the ongoing Iraq war, has led to increasing anti-American sentiment in the Middle East.

He went on, stating that these events have also led to terrorists developing such a hatred for America, that they’re willing to die in suicide attacks. He said, “They attack us because we’ve been over there. We’ve been bombing Iraq for 10 years. We’ve been in the Middle East [for years]. I think [Ronald] Reagan was right. We don’t understand the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics. Right now, we’re building an embassy in Iraq that is bigger than the Vatican. We’re building 14 permanent bases. What would we say here if China was doing this in our country or in the Gulf of Mexico? We would be objecting.”

An outraged Rudy Giuliani, interpreted Paul as implying that America had invited the attacks through its actions and interrupted the proceedings to demand a retraction. Ron Paul defended his statement and further explained, “I believe the CIA is correct when it warns us about blowback. We overthrew the Iranian government in 1953 and their taking the hostages was the reaction. This dynamic persists and we ignore it at our risk. They’re not attacking us because we’re rich and free, they’re attacking us because we’re over there.”

Even early supporter of the Iraq War Andrew Sullivan was led by Rep. Paul’s remarks to conclude that;

“The question serious supporters of a real war on terror must now ask is: will continuing the fight in Iraq help reverse this trend or cement it for decades to come? Is the war making us less secure and the world much less safe? Would withdrawal or continued engagement makes things better? At the very least, it seems to me, this question should be on the table in the Iraq debate. And yet the Republicans - with the exception of Ron Paul - don’t even want to talk about it. Until they do, they are not a party serious about national security.”

Some reports have stated that Ron Paul is factually correct with his assertion; as cited in the 9/11 Commission Report, Osama bin Laden’s 1996 fatwa called “Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places,” published in Britain, reveals his anger with American policies as his reason for declaring a fatwa. In his fatwa, bin Laden cites the reasons for attacking America as, in order:

American involvement in the Middle East
Palestine, and
Sanctions on Iraq
The CIA’s former bin Laden and al Qaeda specialist, Michael Scheuer, told CNN, “We’re being attacked for what we do in the Islamic world, not for who we are or what we believe in or how we live.”

CIA analyst, political scientist, and author Chalmers Johnson spoke of blowback in regards to the September 11 attacks in October 2001 and has written books on the subject.

In a press release following the debate, campaign chairman Kent Snyder said in response to Giuliani, “It is clear from his interruption that former Mayor Giuliani has not read the 9-11 Commission Report and has no clue on how to keep America safe.”


21 posted on 05/17/2007 9:02:24 AM PDT by KDD (Ron Paul for President)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Ron Paul’s purpose in the debates is to make Rudy look Presidential.


22 posted on 05/17/2007 9:03:31 AM PDT by hunter112
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To: hunter112
Ron Paul may be supplying the lipstick for the pig, but it has not/will not change my mind. I am going with Hunter in the primary. If I have to hold my nose in the general and vote for Rudy, so be it.
23 posted on 05/17/2007 9:07:47 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3
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To: TornadoAlley3
Duncan Hunter's a nice guy, but so far, he's missed two opportunities to step forward from the back of the pack. He needs to hire Mike Huckabee's joke writer if he really wants a chance.

All these debates are meaningless activities at this point, the eventual entry of Fred Thompson is going to change the entire dynamic of the Republican Presidential nomination race. That's true even if Fred doesn't get that nomination.

24 posted on 05/17/2007 9:25:46 AM PDT by hunter112
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To: Capitalizt

That’s why he’s the best candidate!


25 posted on 05/17/2007 9:26:34 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: KDD; All
C'mon and stop wasting JimRob's bandwidth with that claptrap, the RonBots have been spamming the Internet 24/7 by artificially inflating polls for their boy, media organizations are getting scripted form letters from RonBots all the time, citing the ginned up poll numbers.

And I love this little pearl of faux-wisdom from Ron Paulsen:

"I believe the CIA is correct when it warns us about blowback. We overthrew the Iranian government in 1953 and their taking the hostages was the reaction."

That is absolute stupidity at it's worst.

The Iranians did NOT take hostages because there was a CIA-supported overthrow of the Iranian nutbar Mossadegh in '53, the hostages were taken because our OWN original village idiot Jimmy Carter stabbed the Shah of Iran in the back, called the Assahollah Khomeini a 'godly man', and stood back while Islamofascist radicals took over what WAS a staunch U.S. ally, a force for stability in the Middle East, and a nation that had NO hostile intentions against our other ally, Israel.

For all of his prattling about the Middle East, 'blowback', and all of that noise, Ron Paul is a total ignorant ass, and that above statement about 'why' the hostages were taken in '79 (because of the Shah coming to power in '53?) demonstrates that he not only is dumb as a box of rocks, his ignorance if God forbid he became President, would end up plunging the Middle East into even greater chaos than what Jimmy Carter managed to achieve.

Get off this Ron Paul crapola people, his poll numbers are phony as a three dollar bill, his foreign policy expertise is a joke, and his only useful purpose is comic relief, and he will never be President.

Take that to the bank.
26 posted on 05/17/2007 9:26:41 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: wideawake

I believe he’ll place within the top 3. I believe that he’ll build momentum from that, and while I admit I’m skeptical of his ability to win the nomination, he’ll win a lot of delegates. But, in a race this this many candidates, anything can happen.


27 posted on 05/17/2007 9:27:51 AM PDT by MinnesotaLibertarian
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian

I have some ocean front property in Arizona just waiting for your bid.


28 posted on 05/17/2007 9:34:57 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Paul has had his George Romney Moment.


29 posted on 05/17/2007 9:37:08 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Paul has had his George Romney Moment.


30 posted on 05/17/2007 9:37:13 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian

I think YOU’RE going to be in for quite a shock when the NH primary is over, assuming Paul is still around.

BTW—you cut a check to his campaign yet?


31 posted on 05/17/2007 9:38:45 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: mkjessup
You are welcome to your delusions.

Ron Paul is also the only politician running who supports our troops instead of thinking of them as fodder for grandoise nation building schemes concocted by the neo-cons at AEI.

You mean polls like this?

Only 35 percent of the military members polled this year said they approve of the way President Bush is handling the war, while 42 percent said they disapproved. The president’s approval rating among the military is only slightly higher than for the population as a whole. In 2004, when his popularity peaked, 63 percent of the military approved of Bush’s handling of the war.

Just as telling, in this year’s poll only 41 percent of the military said the U.S. should have gone to war in Iraq in the first place, down from 65 percent in 2003. That closely reflects the beliefs of the general population today — 45 percent agreed in a recent USA Today/Gallup poll.

32 posted on 05/17/2007 9:38:49 AM PDT by KDD (Ron Paul for President)
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To: mkjessup

The Carter administration thought that Khomeini was Just some soft-headed relgious leader, not a revolutionary figure. Biggest mistake since the Germans sent Lenin to Russia in 1917 to undermine the Provisional government of Russia.


33 posted on 05/17/2007 9:41:38 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: KDD
You are welcome to your delusions

LMAO, now *that* is the most clear and obvious case of 'projecting' I've seen in quite a while.

Tell you what bucko, I've got $1000 cash that says Ron Paul will never be President, care to step up to the plate and take that bet? I'll even give you 2 to 1, no make that 3 to 1 odds, you match the $1000 and if Ron Paul is sworn in as President, I pay you $3000.


34 posted on 05/17/2007 9:45:17 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: TornadoAlley3
A better question would be why doesn't he want to ban liberal Rudy from the Republican debates, but instead wants to shut down the free speech of a conservative whose foreign policy he doesn't agree with.
35 posted on 05/17/2007 9:47:30 AM PDT by yuta250
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To: KDD

You have your own delusion. There is a very real need to establish a government in Iraq that is beholden to the United States. Just look at the map, for God’s sake. It’s called geo-political reality. As to the conduct of the war, it seems obvious now that the present surge should have happened a year ago. If Bush had been on top of the matter, he would have saacked his generals and, maybe, something positive might have happened before the election, or at least by now.


36 posted on 05/17/2007 9:48:47 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: RobbyS
The Carter administration thought that Khomeini was Just some soft-headed relgious leader, not a revolutionary figure. Biggest mistake since the Germans sent Lenin to Russia in 1917 to undermine the Provisional government of Russia.

You know your history for sure. As a little trivia tidbit, I read many moons ago about a luncheon appointment that Lenin had just before he took off for Russia to launch his liddle revolution, and the guy he was supposed to meet couldn't make it, and Lenin never got back in touch with him. Lenin had wanted to discuss the possibility of establishing some sort of friendly diplomatic relations with the government of his lunch partner.

The guy who stood up Lenin?

Allen Dulles. First director of the CIA.
37 posted on 05/17/2007 9:49:27 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: yuta250

Paul is a libertarian, not a conservative.


38 posted on 05/17/2007 9:49:57 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: RobbyS
Paul is a libertarian, not a conservative.

Calling Ron Paulsen a 'conservative' is like calling 'Planned Parenthood' a pro-family organization.
39 posted on 05/17/2007 9:51:34 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: TornadoAlley3
Why not include Rudy also with his anti-gun, abortion, pro-gay stance?

Well if we're going to include a fringe Libertarian like Ron Paul, we might as let Giuliani the Lieberman Democrat in on the fun.

40 posted on 05/17/2007 9:51:42 AM PDT by wideawake
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