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A Two-Time Universe? Physicist Explores How Second Dimension of Time Could Unify Physics Laws
PhysOrg.com | USC College ^ | 5/17/07 | Tom Siegfried

Posted on 05/16/2007 1:43:42 PM PDT by LibWhacker

For a long time, Itzhak Bars has been studying time. More than a decade ago, the USC College physicist began pondering the role time plays in the basic laws of physics — the equations describing matter, gravity and the other forces of nature.

Those laws are exquisitely accurate. Einstein mastered gravity with his theory of general relativity, and the equations of quantum theory capture every nuance of matter and other forces, from the attractive power of magnets to the subatomic glue that holds an atom’s nucleus together.

But the laws can’t be complete. Einstein’s theory of gravity and quantum theory don’t fit together. Some piece is missing in the picture puzzle of physical reality.

Bars thinks one of the missing pieces is a hidden dimension of time.

Bizarre is not a powerful enough word to describe this idea, but it is a powerful idea nevertheless. With two times, Bars believes, many of the mysteries of today’s laws of physics may disappear.

Of course, it’s not as simple as that. An extra dimension of time is not enough. You also need an additional dimension of space.

It sounds like a new episode of “The Twilight Zone,” but it’s a familiar idea to most physicists. In fact, extra dimensions of space have become a popular way of making gravity and quantum theory more compatible.

Extra space dimensions aren’t easy to imagine — in everyday life, nobody ever notices more than three. Any move you make can be described as the sum of movements in three directions — up-down, back and forth, or sideways. Similarly, any location can be described by three numbers (on Earth, latitude, longitude and altitude), corresponding to space’s three dimensions.

Other dimensions could exist, however, if they were curled up in little balls, too tiny to notice. If you moved through one of those dimensions, you’d get back to where you started so fast you’d never realize that you had moved.

“An extra dimension of space could really be there, it’s just so small that we don’t see it,” said Bars, a professor of physics and astronomy.

Something as tiny as a subatomic particle, though, might detect the presence of extra dimensions. In fact, Bars said, certain properties of matter’s basic particles, such as electric charge, may have something to do with how those particles interact with tiny invisible dimensions of space.

In this view, the Big Bang that started the baby universe growing 14 billion years ago blew up only three of space’s dimensions, leaving the rest tiny. Many theorists today believe that 6 or 7 such unseen dimensions await discovery.

Only a few, though, believe that more than one dimension of time exists. Bars pioneered efforts to discern how a second dimension of time could help physicists better explain nature.

“Itzhak Bars has a long history of finding new mathematical symmetries that might be useful in physics,” said Joe Polchinski, a physicist at the Kavli Institute for Theoretical Physics at UC Santa Barbara. “This two-time idea seems to have some interesting mathematical properties.”

If Bars is on the right track, some of the most basic processes in physics will need re-examination. Something as simple as how particles move, for example, could be viewed in a new way. In classical physics (before the days of quantum theory), a moving particle was completely described by its momentum (its mass times its velocity) and its position. But quantum physics says you can never know those two properties precisely at the same time.

Bars alters the laws describing motion even more, postulating that position and momentum are not distinguishable at a given instant of time. Technically, they can be related by a mathematical symmetry, meaning that swapping position for momentum leaves the underlying physics unchanged (just as a mirror switching left and right doesn’t change the appearance of a symmetrical face).

In ordinary physics, position and momentum differ because the equation for momentum involves velocity. Since velocity is distance divided by time, it requires the notion of a time dimension. If swapping the equations for position and momentum really doesn’t change anything, then position needs a time dimension too.

“If I make position and momentum indistinguishable from one another, then something is changing about the notion of time,” said Bars. “If I demand a symmetry like that, I must have an extra time dimension.”

Simply adding an extra dimension of time doesn’t solve everything, however. To produce equations that describe the world accurately, an additional dimension of space is needed as well, giving a total of four space dimensions. Then, the math with four space and two time dimensions reproduces the standard equations describing the basic particles and forces, a finding Bars described partially last year in the journal Physical Review D and has expanded upon in his more recent work.

Bars’ math suggests that the familiar world of four dimensions — three of space, one of time — is merely a shadow of a richer six-dimensional reality. In this view the ordinary world is like a two-dimensional wall displaying shadows of the objects in a three-dimensional room.

In a similar way, the observable universe of ordinary space and time may reflect the physics of a bigger space with an extra dimension of time. In ordinary life nobody notices the second time dimension, just as nobody sees the third dimension of an object’s two-dimensional shadow on a wall.

This viewpoint has implications for understanding many problems in physics. For one thing, current theory suggests the existence of a lightweight particle called the axion, needed to explain an anomaly in the equations of the standard model of particles and forces. If it exists, the axion could make up the mysterious “dark matter” that astronomers say affects the motions of galaxies. But two decades of searching has failed to find proof that axions exist. Two-time physics removes the original anomaly without the need for an axion, Bars has shown, possibly explaining why it has not been found.

On a grander level, two-time physics may assist in the quest to merge quantum theory with Einstein’s relativity in a single unified theory. The most popular approach to that problem today, superstring theory, also invokes extra dimensions of space, but only a single dimension of time. Many believe that a variant on string theory, known as M theory, will be the ultimate winner in the quantum-relativity unification game, and M theory requires 10 dimensions of space and one of time.

Efforts to formulate a clear and complete version of M theory have so far failed. “Nobody has yet told us what the fundamental form of M theory is,” Bars said. “We just have clues — we don’t know what it is.”

Adopting the more symmetric two-time approach may help. Describing the 11 dimensions of M theory in the language of two-time physics would require adding one time dimension plus one space dimension, giving nature 11 space and two time dimensions. “The two-time version of M theory would have a total of 13 dimensions,” Bars said.

For some people, that might be considered unlucky. But for Bars, it’s a reason for optimism.

“My hope,” he says, “is that this path that I am following will actually bring me to the right place.”


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KEYWORDS: dimensions; time; twotime; universe
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To: true_blue_texican
That's the problem with all this crap: it ONLY exists on the blackboard!! The real universe is quite different.

It all begins on a blackboard, and gets tested eventually, and either demonstrated or disproved through astronomical observation, or particle accelerators.

Unfortunately with the cancelation of the SSC, there's a gap where theory has gotten well ahead of the ability to test it, while we wait for the new CERN supercollider to come on line. It's possible there may be experimental evidence of other dimensions.

41 posted on 05/16/2007 2:41:25 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: RightWhale
Darwinists are not located in the Physics Dept; try two doors down the hall in Social Science.

Evolution has nothing in particular to do with Social Science; try three doors down at the Paleontologists, four doors down with the geologists, and five doors down with the evolutionary biologists.

42 posted on 05/16/2007 2:43:23 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Heidegger is the man. Sein und Zeit.


43 posted on 05/16/2007 2:43:26 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: Strategerist

Wasn’t even thinking of Evolution. Just Darwinism.


44 posted on 05/16/2007 2:44:54 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: LibWhacker

My mind is now boggled.


45 posted on 05/16/2007 2:45:11 PM PDT by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: RightWhale

I don’t consider Darwinism a term that describes anything, really. It’s more of a projection.


46 posted on 05/16/2007 2:46:51 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Right Wing Assault
Pelosi space.

Indeed, and agreed.. But, on to speculative nonsense...I have long thought that the unification of relativity and quantum theory can be found in the understanding of time, as well as, the explanation of wave-particle duality. But I'm just a dumbass, so what do I know?
47 posted on 05/16/2007 2:48:18 PM PDT by mutley
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To: LibWhacker

whoa, I’m here again ?


48 posted on 05/16/2007 2:50:06 PM PDT by stylin19a (It's easier to get up at 6:00 AM to play golf than at 10:00 to mow the yard)
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To: Strategerist
and gets tested eventually, and either demonstrated or disproved through astronomical observation, or particle accelerators

No, it does not ALL get tested by either. And especially the astronomical observation scenario is particularly suspect. I observe a certain velocity in a galactic arm. I don't see enough mass to cause that velocity. I posit that there is unseen mass: dark matter. I look at another galaxy and note that it too has an unexplainable velocity. That proves that Dark Matter exists. I bet that the next time I look at a galactic arm's velocity I will discover more Dark Matter.

And, thus Dark Matter is proven through astronomical observation.
49 posted on 05/16/2007 2:51:19 PM PDT by true_blue_texican (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: KarlInOhio
If you have multiple dimensions of time it would be nearly impossible to prove whether events are synchronous, which would really screw up the meaning of the word "is".

Mr. Clinton? Izzat you?

50 posted on 05/16/2007 2:52:21 PM PDT by null and void (The truth. It is a beautiful and terrible thing, and should therefore be treated with great caution.)
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To: Strategerist
I don’t consider Darwinism a term that describes anything, really. It’s more of a projection.

That's a very good way to put it, and I agree, to a large extent.
51 posted on 05/16/2007 2:52:31 PM PDT by mutley
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To: LibWhacker

read later


52 posted on 05/16/2007 2:56:28 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Philistone

LOL.


53 posted on 05/16/2007 2:58:03 PM PDT by dragonblustar
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To: Right Wing Assault
Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
54 posted on 05/16/2007 2:59:49 PM PDT by dragonblustar
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To: LibWhacker

Multiverse?


55 posted on 05/16/2007 3:03:19 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: balch3
the Darwinists keep coming up with outlandish ideas to try to explain their sham theory.

Physics has nothing to do with Darwinism. By the way, the computer which you used to post your reply only works because of the sham theories of physicists.
56 posted on 05/16/2007 3:06:51 PM PDT by newguy357
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To: LibWhacker

Well, that clears that up.


57 posted on 05/16/2007 3:10:10 PM PDT by Bullish ( Reality is the best cure for delusion.)
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To: Red Badger

“You been two-timin’ me, Moe!”
“Dang, Maude, I was afraid you dimension that!”


58 posted on 05/16/2007 3:11:54 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: RightWhale

Plato credited it to Socrates, so I assume he originated it.


59 posted on 05/16/2007 3:13:38 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: AmishDude
You know, we mathematicians have got to learn to promise crap we can’t deliver.

Physicists and biologists have been doing it for decades.

The problem mathematicians have is that you can't postulate about stuff that can't be seen or proved. You have to have numbers to back it up. Those are pretty undeniable. Theories about the origin of species can be anything I like because I don't have to "prove" it.

60 posted on 05/16/2007 3:14:50 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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