I came across this on Fred Thompson's Myspace blog. I ran a search and found nothing.
1 posted on
05/16/2007 7:52:41 AM PDT by
E Rocc
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To: E Rocc
Sorry, but by the time I read the end of the article, I can’t say that the officers were so much in the wrong. Especially since this is written from his side of the story.
2 posted on
05/16/2007 8:00:23 AM PDT by
AmishDude
(It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
To: E Rocc
It’s a “he said, he said” right now.
3 posted on
05/16/2007 8:00:45 AM PDT by
txrangerette
(Congressman Duncan Hunter for POTUS...check him out!!)
To: E Rocc
Memo to England, don’t take soda on to plane like the rest of us.
If you must, from OC to LV is a quick 4 hour drive and you can drink all the way.
4 posted on
05/16/2007 8:01:42 AM PDT by
edcoil
(Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
To: E Rocc
The 37-year-old Orange County, Calif., resident said the officer beat him with a nightstick after England got into an argument with a Transportation Security Administration agent who refused to let England take a soda through the security checkpoint last month. England said he also was shocked three times with a Taser before being taken to jail. He should watch the Chris Rock video of how not to get beaten by the police....
5 posted on
05/16/2007 8:02:14 AM PDT by
2banana
(My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
To: E Rocc
I can see how someone may have had a different view of events. Of course, that's not taking either side at this point.
6 posted on
05/16/2007 8:02:16 AM PDT by
atomicpossum
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To: E Rocc
My wife just came back from Las Vegas Airport. I have been trying to get her to complain, but she will not. During the security check she was singled out by a black TSA agent and experienced almost 20 minutes of absolute harassment. My wife is a petite 47 year old blond MD. The incident involved the black male agent calling over a black female agent who joined in the verbal abuse. Her crime during the entire incident was a small bottle of hotel conditioner found in her carry on. The entire affair was racially motivated and this is not the first time it has happened. I have said over and over again the the Israelis have the right idea. You target the terrorist and you do not terrorize the passengers!
7 posted on
05/16/2007 8:03:12 AM PDT by
PA Engineer
(Liberate America from the occupation media.)
To: E Rocc
Hard to say who’s to blame here.However,my attitude toward the TSA and cops at airports is to keep a low profile at an airport and if a TSA agent tells me to drop a soda I’ll do it.I might curse him under my breath as I’m doing it but that’s about it.
8 posted on
05/16/2007 8:04:59 AM PDT by
Gay State Conservative
("The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."-Karl Marx)
To: E Rocc
but I have a problem being in the military and having some civilian tell me I'm wrong when I actually thought I was rightSounds like the Sargeant might be happier living in a country run by a military dictatorship.
And England was clearly in the wrong:
"1. All liquids, gels and aerosols must be in three-ounce or smaller containers. Larger containers that are half-full or toothpaste tubes rolled up are not allowed. Each container must be three ounces or smaller.
2. All liquids, gels and aerosols must be placed in a single, quart-size, zip-top, clear plastic bag. Gallon size bags or bags that are not zip-top such as fold-over sandwich bags are not allowed. Each traveler can use only one, quart-size, zip-top, clear plastic bag.
3. Each traveler must remove their quart-sized plastic, zip-top bag from their carry-on and place it in a bin or on the conveyor belt for X-ray screening. X-raying separately will allow TSA security officers to more easily examine the declared items."
http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/prohibited/permitted-prohibited-items.shtm
9 posted on
05/16/2007 8:05:04 AM PDT by
PAR35
To: E Rocc
“I know it sounds weird, but I have a problem being in the military and having some civilian tell me I’m wrong when I actually thought I was right,” England said. “If I’m wrong, I’ll admit I’m wrong. But it was their attitude they were giving me” that bothered him.”
I have a problem with that statement.
12 posted on
05/16/2007 8:09:05 AM PDT by
proudmilitarymrs
(It's not immigration, it's an invasion!)
To: E Rocc
14 posted on
05/16/2007 8:15:33 AM PDT by
jmc813
(The 2nd Amendment is NOT a "social conservative" issue.)
To: E Rocc
"I know it sounds weird, but I have a problem being in the military and having some civilian tell me I'm wrong when I actually thought I was right," England said.You are right England, this does sound weird. Thanks for your service and all, but I could really do without this kind of attitude. Why even make the distinction?
18 posted on
05/16/2007 8:19:12 AM PDT by
SengirV
To: E Rocc
Well, just based on what’s written here, it sounds to me like the soldier was looking for trouble. We’ll see what the tapes come up with.
19 posted on
05/16/2007 8:19:44 AM PDT by
Egon
("If all your friends were named Cliff, would you jump off them??" - Hugh Neutron)
To: E Rocc
Ummm... Sarge, lemme tell you a little secret: You can harrass the E3s and E4s all you want, but DO NOT harrass the police!
To: E Rocc
Apparently this soldier didn't understand he was risking his life to protect Iraqi freedoms not ours.
24 posted on
05/16/2007 8:22:11 AM PDT by
AdamSelene235
(Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
To: E Rocc
Thank you for your service, Sgt. England. Now quit acting like an a*****e.
25 posted on
05/16/2007 8:22:13 AM PDT by
randog
(What the...?!)
To: E Rocc
Well .. the video will clear this up and what really happened
26 posted on
05/16/2007 8:23:35 AM PDT by
Mo1
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To: E Rocc
The officer pulled out his handcuffs and told England to turn around and put his hands behind his back. England said the officer placed a hand on his shoulder and that England instinctively rolled his shoulder out from under the officer's hand. If I were a cop, that would scream resisting arrest and trying to escape. When you are at that point you have two options - surrender or fight for your life and accept the consequences afterward. Taking the middle ground of being a pain in the ass to the cops will just cause more problems.
The officer then pulled out a baton and yelled at him to get on the floor, England said.
[what happened in this gap between the paragraphs?]
He said the officer hit him multiple times with the baton, breaking three ribs on his left side and injuring his hand and head. Another officer then shocked him with a Taser at least three times, England said.
Did he get on the ground when ordered, or did he resist arrest.
In my opinion, this is a story with a lot of $*#holes all around, including the sergeant.
29 posted on
05/16/2007 8:28:49 AM PDT by
KarlInOhio
(Parker v. DC: the best court decision of the year.)
To: E Rocc
Two observations.
1. The soldier felt he was being mistreated, and granted, the rules are juvenile and bothersome, but he reacted unwisely and stupidly.
2. TSA and airport cops are complete thugs. They'll gladly hand you your ass if you give them the slightest excuse.
Being an Iraqi vet myself, I thought I was pretty good at dealing with guards. Still, I had a close encounter with airport security that almost got me hauled out of my car and arrested because I couldn't hear what he was saying and didn't understand his directions. I asked him to repeat himself because of the nearby traffic. He thought I was giving him lip, and moved in with the focused crazyeye that only a overstressed cop feeling threatened can give. I had to back down fast as he signalled for help and was clearly ready to get physical, and even then he hit my rental car with his fist as I drove off.
I was utterly dumbfounded. Guys manning checkpoints in Iraq handle people with more dignity and professionalism than anything you'd find in an American airport. It's a disgrace. That said, the soldier in the article above needs to understand that, and act accordingly.
31 posted on
05/16/2007 8:32:11 AM PDT by
Steel Wolf
(If every Republican is a RINO, then no Republican is a RINO.)
To: E Rocc
Those that do not remember movies are doomed to repeat them...on STARZ and AMC!
"All I wanted is something to eat! They drew First Blood!"
34 posted on
05/16/2007 8:36:42 AM PDT by
Bommer
(Global Warming: The only warming phenomena that occurs in the Summer and ends in the Winter!)
To: E Rocc
England does not come off very well in this report...by returning and seeking out his adversaries he literally did ask for what he got.
However, back in the day I remember being muscled against a wall at LAX by a number of (then) security people...
Based on one security guy who took offense at "all those buttons and ribbons" and demanded that I remove any part of my uniform (I still have trouble calling a jacket a 'blouse') with offending metal bits.
Could well be that after several years of ratcheting security schemes today's TSA is experiencing the same sort of animosity toward the troops they see day after day.
40 posted on
05/16/2007 8:49:34 AM PDT by
norton
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