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To: Coyoteman; Alamo-Girl; Jeff Gordon; hosepipe; metmom; xzins; Quix
What difference would you have in evolution if life started 1) naturally, 2) seeded from outer space, or 3) by some divine intervention?

I don't know what you mean by saying "started naturally." What is the principle or cause that gives dumb matter a kick-start to get the evolutionary process going? Are you saying that atoms are "intelligent," and therefore "know" how to do such a thing?

It's much easier for me to understand (2) and (3).

(2) is an hypothesis that excites certain people, but not me. I surmise the "panspermia" theory of seeding by "space aliens" is advanced primarily for the reason that it would obviate the need of a divine creator-god. For that reason alone it would have irresistible attraction for certain people.

But you know, the panspermiasts really do not "obviate God" by taking this position. I mean, the space aliens had to come from somewhere, too. The panspermia theory does not moot the problem of a beginning of space and time out of nothing.

As for (3), what you refer to could not be a "divine intervention," for until the moment of the beginning, there was nothing to "intervene" in. God had to create "the whole ball of wax" first -- space, time, matter, laws; which is what I believe actually happened.

And there's nothing in science that falsifies this belief. Indeed, if anything, it is recent discoveries in science itself that appear to validate it (i.e., the big-bang/inflationary universe model, which is a science of ORIGINS. It stipulates a beginning of the universe in space and time; it does not identify the cause of this beginning. But that's not science's job to do. It is there to make physical descriptions of nature, not make metaphysical observations that cannot be supported by direct observation and replicable experiments.)

Coyoteman, you wrote: "It leaves me still advocating for science and the scientific method. (But its getting pretty lonely in these here parts lately!)" But all means, continue to do that, Coyoteman. But don't get yourself trapped in "silos" of thinking. FWIW, truly I miss many of the recently departed "evos" -- you must be feeling like the "Lone Ranger" around here lately. Some of those people are first-rate thinkers and they were wonderful "adversaries" in debate.

Thank you so much for writing, Coyoteman!

36 posted on 05/19/2007 11:08:39 AM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein.)
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To: betty boop
You missed the whole point of my question. I asked,

What difference would you have in evolution if life started 1) naturally, 2) seeded from outer space, or 3) by some divine intervention?

And this led you to debate the three choices.

The actual answer is that evolution could proceed as described with any of these three origins -- because evolution involves change, not origins.

FWIW, truly I miss many of the recently departed "evos" -- you must be feeling like the "Lone Ranger" around here lately. Some of those people are first-rate thinkers and they were wonderful "adversaries" in debate.

Its ironic that you miss some of the recently departed, as you and a number of others helped to run them off. You see mysticism and religious belief as equals with science; that might be acceptable in philosophy, but it doesn't cut it in science. But what was particularly galling was the number of times those supporting the theory of evolution were told by a few posters that they were going to hell, compared with Hitler and Stalin, or their years of study and research were denigrated on the basis of something quote mined from the web or lifted from some silly anti-science website like AnswersInGenesis. Then, a year or so ago when the admins and management started playing games and banning pro-science posters, many others took the hint and left. That is when Darwin Central was formed -- as a refuge.

Finally, I am certainly not feeling like the "Lone Ranger" (Hi Dave!). I have science on my side, so I have you outnumbered and outgunned! ;-)

39 posted on 05/19/2007 11:36:11 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman; betty boop; Alamo-Girl
[.. What difference would you have in evolution if life started 1) naturally, 2) seeded from outer space, or 3) by some divine intervention? ..]

4) life didn't begin on this planet but was remodeled to include human creatures->> which are fleshly body suits inhabited by evil angels(as opposed to good ones) getting a second chance.. to restart previous errors made by them..

NOTE: Second chance = 2nd chance at harmony of divine resonance.. At one ment.. or the reality of the prodigal son metaphor of Judeo-Christian fame..

42 posted on 05/19/2007 1:10:52 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: betty boop
truly I miss many of the recently departed "evos" -- you must be feeling like the "Lone Ranger" around here lately.

Well, this has become a fairly science-hostile site, and it gets depressing seeing a continuing parade of young-earth creationists and their brethren cycling through the same old set of half-baked untruths.

44 posted on 05/19/2007 1:23:11 PM PDT by blowfish
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To: betty boop
Thank you so much for sharing your wonderful insights! I also miss our correspondents.
49 posted on 05/19/2007 8:34:37 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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