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Teachers stage fake gun attack on kids
charlotte.com ^ | 05/13/07 | AP

Posted on 05/13/2007 3:04:17 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3

MURFREESBORO, Tenn. -- Staff members of an elementary school staged a fictitious gun attack on students during a class trip, telling them it was not a drill as the children cried and hid under tables.

The mock attack Thursday night was intended as a learning experience and lasted five minutes during the weeklong trip to a state park, said Scales Elementary School Assistant Principal Don Bartch, who led the trip.

"We got together and discussed what we would have done in a real situation," he said.

But parents of the sixth-grade students were outraged.

"The children were in that room in the dark, begging for their lives, because they thought there was someone with a gun after them," said Brandy Cole, whose son went on the trip.

Some parents said they were upset by the staff's poor judgment in light of the April 16 shootings at Virginia Tech that left 33 students and professors dead, including the gunman.

During the last night of the trip, staff members convinced the 69 students that there was a gunman on the loose. They were told to lie on the floor or hide underneath tables and stay quiet. A teacher, disguised in a hooded sweat shirt, even pulled on locked door.

After the lights went out, about 20 kids started to cry, 11-year-old Shay Naylor said.

"I was like, 'Oh My God,' " she said. "At first I thought I was going to die. We flipped out."

Principal Catherine Stephens declined to say whether the staff members involved would face disciplinary action, but said the situation "involved poor judgment."


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To: reasonisfaith

Uh huh. I don’t agree with their tactics. They need to get back to the drawing board on planning. Maybe they should ask the “fifth graders” for guidance:’)


81 posted on 05/13/2007 4:11:15 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: tioga
POOR JUDGEMENT? -it’s way beyond THAT!!

Sounds like an act of terror to me.

82 posted on 05/13/2007 4:14:20 PM PDT by Go Gordon (I don't know what your problem is, but I bet its hard to pronounce)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Are these the same teachers that many think should have a gun?


83 posted on 05/13/2007 4:14:35 PM PDT by ThomasThomas (How dose it feel to be italicized?)
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To: CindyDawg

Well, I have “greats” almost that age, but you know the old saying, “there may be snow on the rooftop, but there’s still fire in the belly”. Did I mangle that? ;)


84 posted on 05/13/2007 4:15:01 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Fred sez "I'm not interested in being the tallest midget in the room.." RUN FRED RUN!)
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To: Riley
I’m sure that somewhere there are teachers who do a really top-notch job, leave their politics at home and produce excellent results

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

There are only 2 kinds of government teachers:

1) Bad Teachers
2) Enablers

If you’re part of the government school system ( in any way) you are part of the problem.

There is only one solution:

CLOSE down government schools!
Remove your own child.
Organize with others to form church schools.
Organize with others to elect representatives who will padlock government schools.

85 posted on 05/13/2007 4:15:23 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: CindyDawg

“It’s hard to believe this happened. Yall sure it’s real.?”

The one thing that is believable about this is that public school officials would be foolish and cruel enough to try it.


86 posted on 05/13/2007 4:15:40 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (A leftist will never stand up like a man and admit his true beliefs)
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To: ThomasThomas

“Are these the same teachers that many think should have a gun?”

Sometimes it’s truly hard to believe, but competent teachers exist with regular, though unfortunately low, frequency in public schools.


87 posted on 05/13/2007 4:19:40 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (A leftist will never stand up like a man and admit his true beliefs)
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To: exit82
I remember having duck and cover, fire, and tornado drills in elementary school. I went to school in Atlanta and we were convinced that Castro was going to nuke Atlanta at any time. Each drill had a different type of ring that indicated what type of drill we were to do and where we were to go. Different places for each type. I used to go to sleep every night afraid I wouldn't’t wake up because of the Russians, the Cubans, and their nuclear weapons.
88 posted on 05/13/2007 4:21:19 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: TornadoAlley3

It doesn’t surprise me too much. At my teaching college, I’ve heard student-teachers and professors talk about the benefits of lying to students to make lessons more interesting: making up stories about themselves, etc. This sounds like the end result of that condescending disrespect towards the students.


89 posted on 05/13/2007 4:21:53 PM PDT by marsh_of_mists
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To: reasonisfaith
It’s hard to believe this happened. Yall sure it’s real.?

Fox News

90 posted on 05/13/2007 4:22:14 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Fred sez "I'm not interested in being the tallest midget in the room.." RUN FRED RUN!)
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To: Candor7
...and insisted that teachers apply for concealed carry permits.

Arming people with such poor decision making skills and judgment would be a recipe for disaster!

91 posted on 05/13/2007 4:25:32 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: patton; exit82
12 miles is so far outside the blast radius, it wouldn’t have mussed your hair.

Early 60s, with a R-7/SS-6 or R-16/SS-7 with 5Mt warhead, it would, however, have caught fire (along with the reat of the town)

And with a CEP of 2NM, a "miss" on NYC in the wrong direction may have moved it close enough for the blast to have brought down buildings as well.

92 posted on 05/13/2007 4:27:00 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (conservatism as the fusion of libertarianism and traditionalism - John Stuart Mill and Edmund Burke)
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To: ozzymandus
Looks like there’s going to be some teaching vacancies at that school.

nope .. they are protected by the Unions

93 posted on 05/13/2007 4:27:52 PM PDT by Mo1 ( http://www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Mo1

Tennessee is a ‘right to work’ state. Teachers cannot be forced into a union in these types of states. Chances are good that some of these teachers are not in a union. I’m in Virginia (also a RTW) and I am not in a union. I am a member of the Association of American Educators which is a conservative group, but not a union. They also do no lobbying.


94 posted on 05/13/2007 4:31:00 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: reasonisfaith

Sometimes it’s truly hard to believe, but competent teachers exist with regular, though unfortunately low, frequency in public schools.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

There are only 2 kinds of teachers in government schools:

1) Bad teachers
2) Enablers

Anyone participating in government schools in any capacity is part of the problem.

Solution: Close down government schools!


95 posted on 05/13/2007 4:31:44 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: CindyDawg; greyfoxx39

The concept of this “drill” is obviously to train the kids to act in a certain way, when faced with this kind of situation, which would result in success. But in the case of a suicidal gunman success can only be defined as death for the gunman with no casualties.

If it became absolutely necessary, kids could be trained in such a way that they would at least have a better chance than with no training, especially if the gunman is not suicidal. But the training exercises would have to be very different from this one in Murfreesboro and the trainers would have to be competent. There are potentially severe psychological side effects. At this point any such training is still a bad idea. Cost far outweighs benefits. Arming some of the teachers would be much more logical.


96 posted on 05/13/2007 4:33:27 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (A leftist will never stand up like a man and admit his true beliefs)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Your CEP comment is exactly correct - the danger at 12 miles was not from a hit, it was from a miss.

The technical details and capabilities of russian missiles/bombs are subjuct to more than a little dispute.

“We are turning out missiles like sausages!” - Khruschev

(They didn’t have any sausages, either.)


97 posted on 05/13/2007 4:34:15 PM PDT by patton (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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To: patton

11/1/52 US explodes hydrogen bomb at Bikini Atoll yield=10.4 MT

1954-US test bomb yield is almost 17 MT

11/22/55 Russia explodes bomb in Kazakhstan 1.6 MT yield

11/8/57 Britain explodes bomb yield = 1.8 MT

10/31/61 Russia explodes bomb yield=58MT

By the early sixties, bombs with yields greater than 1MT were not unknown.

The yield were closely guarded secrets, and the effects could only be guessed at.


98 posted on 05/13/2007 4:34:56 PM PDT by exit82 (Sheryl Crow is on a roll)
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To: TornadoAlley3; SoftballMominVA; Gabz

It is this sort of thing that gives people like me, a teacher, a bad name.

On 4/20, we had a serious scare at our school, based on an unsubstantiated rumor that someone was going to do something like this. Of course, nothing happened at school that day, except school.

Regardless, it is this sort of thing that adds fuel to the fire and makes people wonder.

Even the unions are going to be hard pressed to protect these people.


99 posted on 05/13/2007 4:35:43 PM PDT by shag377 (De gustibus non disputandum est)
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To: SoftballMominVA
Tennessee is a ‘right to work’ state. Teachers cannot be forced into a union in these types of states. Chances are good that some of these teachers are not in a union.

Well then .. chances are they will be easily fired

100 posted on 05/13/2007 4:38:00 PM PDT by Mo1 ( http://www.gohunter08.com)
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