Posted on 05/09/2007 4:47:37 PM PDT by wagglebee
No, he’s offering to veto spending from Congress. I like the radio ads from just the Mormon Church, however, which offer adoption help as an alternative to abortion. THAT is a pro-life position and a welcomed message. The Jack idea wouldn’t appeal to me anyway, I can’t stomach dark liquors from corn fermentation.
I must wholeheartedly agree.
"All I can do is warn others about the phoniness of your charges, your attempts to *spam* these same lies repeatedly on every Romney article, and the half-truths and outright lies behind your claims.
I like to post: "The rest of the story."
Folks : EV has an agenda and it aint a pretty one (Just try to get EV to admit a GOP Presidential candidate he/she *supports* - now why cant a freeper find a candidate they like, huh?). Use massive grain o’ salt ..."
There are conservatives who want to see and are working toward, the demise of the Republican Party. No doubt about it.
I can understand why some still might not have found "their" candidate to support. Those on this board and elsewhere who fit that category, still have supportive comments about one or more of the candidates.
I have not seen EV, post a single positive remark about a Republican candidate, not one. His strategy will bring nothing but loss and destruction. Because of the devastation he advocates,and the harm it will cause to the Republican Party and the conservative movement, I can well understand why many have wondered aloud, whether he is conservative at all.
That is NOT what George W. Bush is doing. I have seen posters who have done what you are accusing GWB of, and that is not what is happening in this case. His depiction of Reagan and abortion are completely accurate. One might propose some of the arguments you made as reasons for Reagan failing to publicly disclose his change of heart, and additionally that he had no platform from which to do it until he again ran for president in 1975. But the fact remains, he waited until then.
Over the years, I have participated in many discussions about Reagan's mistakes. Like most presidents, even the best of them, he wasn't perfect, he made them. That doesn't mitigate the fact that he was STILL a great president, and will always be at the top of the list of heroes for many conservatives, including me. : )
You calling me a liar EV? If you are I'd prefer you have the balls to do it in a straight forward manner.
I'm not cutting any corners. President Bush signed the law allowing federal funds to be spent on stem cell lines derived from the killing of embryos. That's what I said and that's the truth of the matter. I opposed his signing that law.
ESC lines have as a prerequisite the killing of embryo's. From the embryo's standpoint whether the killing was pre signing or post signing is thouroughly irrelevant. Dead is dead, non theologically speaking.
Other folks like my moderate friend Torie have come to the conclusion that third and even second trimester unborn babies deserve protection in law. We should welcome him on our team for if we could get enough Torie's on our team we could stop the killing of an awful lot of unborn babies.
To alienate all but the true believers on the life issue, and I consider both of us to be of that radical variety, is senseless.
Well said. I used to have this same contention with Askel5. She is an all or nothing person. I’ve been trying to change the perspective to ‘self-defense’ and thus create a realm in which both the LIFE of the mother and the ALIVE unborn may be a given. So far, no one at FR even wants to discuss it! And we are a conservative website.
I like most of the dark horse candidates more than any of the front runners, and I have a feeling that at least one or two of the front runners will go further to the back of the line.
So did I. But I have the sense to state what he did accurately.
I write clearly. If you don’t comprehend clearly that is your problem. I wish you the best of luck in overcoming that handicap.
Romney is correct. Anytime someone switches from pro-life to pro-abortion they get a free pass from the media. Several of the RAT candidates for President got elected as 100% pro-life and "adjusted" their views to pro-abortion to curry favor nationally as a RAT and nobody EVER brings it up. For starters, check out Dennis KOOKsinich's record.
Here are some other Dims who ran as "100% pro-life" when they started their political careers. Let me know when the media questions their change of heart:
Bill Clinton
Al Gore
Dick Durbin
Dick Gephardt
Jesse Jackson
Ted Kennedy
"I am opposed to abortion and to government funding of abortions. We should not spend state funds on abortions -- abortion is wrong."
-- Bill Clinton, September 26, 1986
"The term 'person' should include unborn children from the moment of conception."
--- Al Gore, June 26, 1984
"I believe that Roe v. Wade was incorrectly decided and support a constitutional limit to ban all abortions. The right to an abortion is certainly not guaranteed in the U.S. Constitution."
-- Dick Durbin, March 5, 1983
"Life is the division of human cells, a process that begins with conception.... The [Supreme Court's abortion] ruling was unjust, and it is incumbent on the Congress to correct the injustice. I have always been supportive of pro-life legislation. I intend to remain steadfast on this issue.... I believe that the life of the unborn should be protected at all costs."
-- Dick Gephardt, August 22, 1984
"The legalization of abortion on demand is not in accordance with the value which our civilization places on human life. Wanted or unwanted, I believe that human life, even at its earliest stages, has certain rights which must be recognized -- the right to be born, the right to love, the right to grown old."
-- Ted Kennedy, August 3, 1971
"I oppos federal funds used for killing infants. There are those who argue that the right to privacy is of [a] higher order than the right to life ... that was the premise of slavery. You could not protest the existence or treatment of slaves on the plantation because that was private and therefore outside your right to be concerned. What happens to the mind of a person, and the moral fabric of a nation, that accepts the aborting of the life of a baby without a pang of conscience? What kind of a person and what kind of a society will we have 20 years hence if life can be taken so casually?"
-- Jesse Jackson, October 6, 1977
You have brought a serious accusation against Jerald and Sandra Tanner.
You have suggested that they are false witnesses to the history and doctrine of Mormonism.
You now say that you will present no evidence by which the rest of us can judge the truth of your accusation, except to just take your word for it.
Ok then.
You've had every opportunity to present your evidence and you have produced none.
I believe those you have accused.
I believe the Tanners.
Seems to me that your church's founder and very first "prophet" was also the first to cast this stone.
Joseph Smith attacked all Christian denominations as false churches and called them "abominations before God."
That was before anybody in those churches said one word about Mormonism.
And, btw, that slanderous doctrine is still in the Mormon church canon, namely, that Mormonism is the one true faith and all Christian churches are false and have no authority. It has never been disavowed or removed.
I had similar discussions with her. I agree with the two of you and have since college.
___________________________________________________________ Seems to me that your church's founder and very first "prophet" was also the first to cast this stone.
Joseph Smith attacked all Christian denominations as false churches and called them "abominations before God."
That was before anybody in those churches said one word about Mormonism.
And, btw, that slanderous doctrine is still in the Mormon church canon, namely, that Mormonism is the one true faith and all Christian churches are false and have no authority. It has never been disavowed or removed.
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Are sure about that I recall over the centuries of many that were killed because they did not believe as the "Tradition of Men" and were burn alive at the stake and than there was a reformation etc.
So if a 14 years old boy prays to God about which Church he should join, and get an answer from the Lord to join none, so if you are displeased take your murmuring to the Lord!
None like what Jesus had to say either and the Tradition of Men during the Lord time Crucified our Lord, war continues over the Gospel of Jesus Christ even to this day at this very hour!
The Lord Commanded His children to "Love One Another" (John 13: 34-35)
In America we are supposed to have Religious Freedom but it seems the Tradition of Men always want to content!
The LDS has made it a policy not to content over another faith and we are even council by our prophet to be good neighbors and citizens and to do our part in community service.
From President Gordon B Hinckley:
Q. How should members of the church respond to efforts of some other religious groups to convert them to other beliefs and religions?
. A. Well, I say this: We don't downgrade any religion. We recognize the good they all do. I say to those of other faiths: 'You bring all the good that you have and let us see if we can add to it.' Now that's our attitude reduced to a very short statement, and it works.
What happen to fair and balanced?
Yep, I believe Sandra Tanner.
GO
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