Posted on 05/08/2007 4:25:15 PM PDT by dvan
neither am I. As a matter of fact, I ahve noticed a sharp decrease in the number of bees in my gardens over the alst few years.
I have a question for you, how far will bees normally go if left alone?
Like your use of the link to Snopes as proof?? After all, that is just a 'story'. And to believe that every single person that testifies before congress is not telling the truth as you seem to is just immature and also gullible. I guess when members of the NRA testify before congress defending our gun rights, well, we should not believe them either. Or those that testify against abortion. Doing it in front of a congressional subcommittee? No need to listen.
There are others that say the bee population swings up and down. So people report all time bee highs.
This is true. But, using your own logic again, their are 'others saying' this die off is much worse. Your deciding who to believe only by their words. My citrus was full of bees.
With all due respect, that is not proof of anything. No one has said all bees everywhere are dying off. But, this die off seems to be much larger than previous ones. Using your reasoning, there has not been a murder in my little town in over 50 years therefore murder no longer exists.
I never said hoax, I said hysteria.
You implied it by using Snopes as your source to debunk the bee die off. Snopes deals in hoaxes. Oh, and you used a link as your proof, but no one else can?? As you said, links are NEVER proof.
People living in glass houses should not through stones.
You do not know how right you are.
Look SunnyFlorida, this die off is real, it is affecting certain areas of the country and is spreading (now in 27 states), and if it gets worse, it could have serious consequences. If it is just the worst die off in a natural cycle, great. I would rather see that. But to just blow it off as hysteria without researching both sides is, well, hysterical.
There is plenty of detailed, scientific information on the web you can research.........oh wait, you would need to use links. Sorry.
Have a nice day.
Thank you for your question. I believe those first verses in Genesis tell us that.
Gen.1:11 And God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after its kind, whose seed is in itself upon the earth:" and it was so.
He created this world and our bodies so He knows what is best for us. Perhaps this "mysterious bee disapperance" is a repercussion of not following His instructions.
...Ping
I would agree.
I’m in Montana
They probably are undernourished (if they can’t get good food) but we had natural hives here. By natural, I mean hives in the hollows of trees. They’re gone.
......Ping
Anyone that ever got more than a B in biology knows that plant evolve over time as God designed. Plants change all the time. All current plants on earth are hybrids - ALL.
Anyone that ever got more than a B in biology knows that plant evolve over time as God designed. Plants change all the time. All current plants on earth are hybrids - ALL.
You SEEM TO TRY to read my mind...STOP IT.
I use snopes to question the cred of the story writer. His poor research is not a good sign.
THERE IS NO PROOF THAT THE PERCEIVED “BEE DIE OFF” IS REAL OR NOT A NORMAL RECURRING EVENT.
THERE IS N-O PROOF AND THE WEB PROVES NOTHING, EVER.
Follow the money!!
Then why are you on FR??
I see your just having fun now or are in denial.
Have a nice day.
“Then why are you on FR??”
Good source of news and SOME smart people...not all by any means. Some pretty good humor...some common sense about Rudy...downside = amazing lack of economics and constitutional law (from time to time - i.e. smoker threads) and science.
But FR never PROVES anything. The weird ones are those that have a direct line to GOD. Having faith is one thing but certain knowlegde of what GOD is thinking or thought is just too funny.
” I believe those first verses in Genesis tell us that.”
I 100% support your right to believe that. Hopefully you support my right to NOT believe that is what is intended by Gen. 1:11. They way I look at it is that GOD gave plants the ability to hybridize for a reason, food for one thing.
If you expose a hive to certain phernomes they will begin laying eggs quickly. This would allow a hive to go from a few bees to a population that can quickly pollinate a very large orchard. This also would eliminate the need to move so many bees around. This works in the short term and then the colony collapses. It is not being a good steward of the enviroment to do this to a hive.
What did I say to make you so angry and rude? Did you move to sunny Florida from New York?
I think God placed something within each living thing to allow it to adapt to it's world around it. He did not allow one thing to become another, or I should say, want it to. They stay within their species. You may cross one with another but it will not produce more on it's own.
You'll have to find out on your own I'm afraid as I have no idea what mitochondria is. Also, I'm not giving my "interpretation" - I gave you a scripture I feel is applicable to the discussion. You are welcome to take it or leave it. If you will remember, it was brought up earlier that perhaps one of the reasons of the bee die off could be alteration of the plants.
How would I, in Alabama, maintain a hive within a 100 acre area. That 100 acres has about 20 fruit trees, a 1 acrea vegtable garden and a 60 by 40 foot flower garden and the rest is trees, swamp and meadows.
Honey Bee Die-Off Alarms Beekeepers, Crop Growers, Researchers
An alarming die-off of honey bees has beekeepers fighting for commercial survival and crop growers wondering whether bees will be available to pollinate their crops this spring and summer.
Researchers are scrambling to find answers to what’s causing the affliction– recently named Colony Collapse Disorder — which has decimated commercial beekeeping operations across the country. As more beekeepers in cold wintering locations get into their colonies, the number of states affected is expected to grow.
"During the last three months of 2006, we began to receive reports from commercial beekeepers of an alarming number of honey bee colonies dying in the eastern United States," says Maryann Frazier, apiculture extension associate at Penn State University. "Since the beginning of the year, beekeepers from all over the country have been reporting unprecedented losses.
"This has become a highly significant yet poorly understood problem that threatens the pollination industry and the production of commercial honey in the United States," she says. "Because the number of managed honey bee colonies is less than half of what it was 25 years ago, states such as Pennsylvania can ill afford these heavy losses."
Reports on their losses coming from beekeepers vary widely. Some commercial beekeepers are reporting their losses as about the same as the last several years. Others report losing thousands of colonies: one lost 11,000 of his 13,000 colonies; another 700 of 900; another 2500 of 3500; another virtually all of his 10,000.
A working group of university and federal researchers, state regulatory officials, cooperative extension educators, and industry representatives is working to identify the cause or causes of Colony Collapse Disorder and to develop management strategies and recommendations for beekeepers. Participating organizations include Penn State, the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the agriculture departments in Pennsylvania and Florida, and Bee Alert Technology Inc., a technology transfer company affiliated with the University of Montana.
"Preliminary work has identified several likely factors that could be causing or contributing to CCD," says Dennis vanEngelsdorp, acting state apiarist with the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture. "Among them are mites and associated diseases, some unknown pathogenic disease and pesticide contamination or poisoning."
Initial studies of dying colonies revealed a large number of disease organisms present, with no one disease being identified as the culprit, vanEngelsdorp explains. Ongoing case studies and surveys of beekeepers experiencing CCD have found a few common management factors, but no common environmental agents or chemicals have been identified.
The beekeeping industry has been quick to respond to the crisis. The National Honey Board has pledged $13,000 of emergency funding to the CCD working group. Other organizations, such as the Florida State Beekeepers Association, are working with their membership to commit additional funds. The Foundation for the Preservation of Honey Bees is hosting a workshop to bring together the researchers investigating the malady, other researchers, and affected beekeepers. The American Beekeeping Federation revamped its January Convention program in progress to accommodate a hastily arranged session on the situation.
Frazier says, “Beekeepers overwintering in the north many not know the status of their colonies until they are able to make early spring inspections. This should occur in late February or early March but is dependent on weather conditions. Regardless, there is little doubt that honey bees are going to be in short supply this spring and possibly into the summer."
A detailed, up-to-date report on Colony Collapse Disorder can be found on the Mid-Atlantic Apiculture Research and Extension Consortium Web site at http://maarec.cas.psu.edu/index.html.
Great, we agree that the best we can do is interpret GOD's word (we NEVER know for sure)...my interpretation is that GOD would never be so cruel as to not allow for evolution and be straight up with those that wrote down the Bible. I think he gave man a brain and said, “here is one approach (the seven day thing) and here are some other facts (the fossil record) and just to show you what a kind and loving GOD I am, none of it makes sense...but I gave you a brain to figure it it out...If it was easy to figure out why bother with the brain.” In some way, I think GOD, is the best darn mystery writer ever. Understanding evolution is just discovering the complexity of creation. Denying evolution is denying the creative of GOD.
and with the last post, i’m off the the political threads and NASCAR - until this whole Bee thingee becomes another democrat subsidy program.
C’ya.
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