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Scientists look high in the sky for power: Jet stream could fill global energy needs
SF Gate ^ | 5/7/2007 | Keay Davidson

Posted on 05/08/2007 5:59:39 AM PDT by Uncledave

Scientists are eyeing the jet stream, an energy source that rages night and day, 365 days a year, just a few miles above our heads. If they can tap into its fierce winds, the world's entire electrical needs could be met, they say.

The trick is figuring out how to harness the energy and get it down to the ground cost-effectively and safely.

Dozens of researchers in California and around the world believe huge kite-like wind-power generators could be the solution. As bizarre as that might seem, respected experts say the idea is sound enough to justify further investigation.

The jet stream typically blows from west to east 6 to 9 miles over the northern hemisphere at speeds up to 310 mph.

By lofting generators into the upper atmosphere, scientists theorize they could capture the power of the jet stream and transmit the electricity along cables back to Earth.

A wind machine, floated into such a monstrous force, would transmit electricity on aluminum or copper cables -- or through invisible microwave beams -- down to power grids, where it would be distributed to homes and businesses. Unlike ground-based wind generators, the high-altitude devices would be too high to be heard and barely visible against the blue sky.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: energy; renewenergy; wind
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To: Uncledave

6 to 9 miles of ‘string’ is a lot of string for a kite.


21 posted on 05/08/2007 6:39:10 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Uncledave

LOL oh yeah.... they could use this energy generation to power the “space elevator”.


22 posted on 05/08/2007 6:41:56 AM PDT by kjam22 (see me play the guitar here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noHy7Cuoucc)
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To: Uncledave

LOL oh yeah.... they could use this energy generation to power the “space elevator”.


23 posted on 05/08/2007 6:42:01 AM PDT by kjam22 (see me play the guitar here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noHy7Cuoucc)
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To: Uncledave
Sounds like a Nikola Tesla pipe dream.
24 posted on 05/08/2007 6:43:59 AM PDT by #1CTYankee (That's right, I have no proof. So what of it??)
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To: Idaho Whacko
Yeah, that was my first thought, which the article didn’t address. What would happen if you were to eventually put scores of these things in the jet stream?

What impact might this have on the jet stream, or weather? What about planes and those long copper or aluminum cables dotting the sky? Lightning?

25 posted on 05/08/2007 6:51:58 AM PDT by Obadiah (Republicans - the battered wives of Democrats.)
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To: Idaho Whacko

Right! I like the idea of the Gulf Stream instead...Harness it for our power in Flori-DUH? and ‘freeze’ Europe?....LOL,,,


26 posted on 05/08/2007 6:59:00 AM PDT by litehaus (A memory tooooo long)
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To: Uncledave

This would be a hazard for aircraft that use the jet stream to reduce flight time and save fuel.


27 posted on 05/08/2007 7:10:55 AM PDT by The Truth Will Make You Free
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To: Spirochete
One of my favorites was using barometic pressure differences to drive generators. The idea used pipes or tunnels across hundreds of miles and the pressure gradient would (supposedly) drive turbines.

Not a bad idea. In central Nevada, there's an old mine shaft with an entrance at the top of a mountain and an air shaft on the side of the mountain some several hundred feet lower. The exit at the top is crudely capped with a slab of concrete, but the air rushing through the gaps is incredible. The first thing that came to mind was to uncap the mine and put a turbine generator on it.

28 posted on 05/08/2007 7:51:15 AM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: Uncledave

This looks like a dumb idea to me.


29 posted on 05/08/2007 7:52:03 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.)
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To: Uncledave

Thanks for the ping.


30 posted on 05/08/2007 7:54:12 AM PDT by GOPJ ( When great forces are on the move in the world, we learn we are spirits--not animals."- Churchill)
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To: lepton
shift the stream, cause it to kink in different patterns and at different times...

Not likely. The form of the jetstream is driven by temperature difference and the kinks are resonances.

31 posted on 05/08/2007 7:57:54 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: DungeonMaster
This looks like a dumb idea to me.

Very dumb, but I get a kick out of these ideas and sketches. It's like watching those old black & white movie clips of failed jalopy airplane designs.

32 posted on 05/08/2007 8:00:10 AM PDT by Uncledave
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To: DungeonMaster

No “ideas” are dumb. It is the misapplication of an idea that can be dumb - ask algore.


33 posted on 05/08/2007 8:05:06 AM PDT by ghostrider
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To: ghostrider
No “ideas” are dumb. It is the misapplication of an idea that can be dumb - ask algore.

I have an idea about how to turn Algore into bio diesel. :-D

34 posted on 05/08/2007 8:12:46 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.)
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To: lepton
No...but a large-scale collection attempt would shift the stream, cause it to kink in different patterns and at different times... Heck, there's evidence that large-scale windfarms on the ground adjust temperature over several square miles, with some of the new windmill farms projected to possibly change the temperature up to about 5F.

Wait, wind power causes GLOBAL WARMING?!?!?!!?

tee hee.

35 posted on 05/08/2007 8:21:22 AM PDT by gura
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To: Uncledave
Let’s run all the liberals in human size gerbil cages.
36 posted on 05/08/2007 8:22:56 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Pelosi - C an't U nderstand N ormal T hinking)
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To: Uncledave
I like it :)

Not that it will ever be practicle, or do-able, or feasable, or anything, but I like people who think big like this.

I have always said that, unlike our Luddite Leftists, I believe that Technology will save us from whatever environmental ills befall us. But in order for this to be so, we must keep PUSHING our economies and technologies FORWARD, not backward, like the tree-huggers want to do.

37 posted on 05/08/2007 8:24:10 AM PDT by Paradox (Secular Conservative, thank God!)
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To: RightWhale
the kinks are resonances.

They do resonate.


38 posted on 05/08/2007 8:29:37 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: SengirV
Doesn’t the jet stream shift position all the time? I’d hate to be around when that rotor kite comes crashing to the ground as the Jet stream has moved on.

They could put the earth attachment point on a car on a track so they could move it hundreds of miles north or south.

Another idea for Governor Rick's TTC.

< }B^)

39 posted on 05/08/2007 8:44:05 AM PDT by Erasmus (This tagline on paid leave, pending the results of certain medical tests.)
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To: Paradox
Not that it will ever be practicle, or do-able, or feasable, or anything, but I like people who think big like this

I like idea people also. One idea spawns another and another.... Eventually something workable is hatched. Here is another twist to capturing the jet stream. Run these things up over mountain peaks and high ridge lines. There is a enough wind flowing along ridge lines to crash airplanes and winter jet streams pass low over many mountains. I believe the highest recorded wind was at Mount Washington(?) in New England.

40 posted on 05/08/2007 8:55:42 AM PDT by ghostrider
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