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To: 1rudeboy; P-Marlowe
No, it's P-Marlowe BS. If it is a statistical fact, then you should have no trouble proving it.

IMO, the reason Jorge Miguel Romero's name wasn't mentioned until the end of the article is that he was DWI (driving while illegal). Newspapers are known for concealing undesirable information in this way.

One of the problems gathering the type of statistical information you request is that most LE agencies are forbidden from asking about immigration status. That's a fact.

Here's an article that points to the information you request. (California's hit-and-run crisis)

The California DMV estimates that out of 22 million drivers, 1 million are unlicensed. AAA did a study that found that 21 percent (almost 1 in every 4) fatal accidents involved drivers who were not licensed. So, the odds are 1 in 4 that Jorge was an illegal.

No one knows how many unlicensed drivers are on the roads. For its part, the Department of Motor Vehicles estimates that the state has 1 million unlicensed drivers, compared to 22.6 million license-holders.

A study by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety, released in February, found that 21 percent of all fatal crashes in California between 1993 and 1999 involved drivers who lacked valid licenses.

The report said many of the state's unlicensed motorists are either undocumented aliens or drivers who cannot afford often-costly car insurance, which is required in California.

State legislation could reduce the number of unlicensed and uninsured drivers. A bill by state Sen. Gilbert Cedillo, D-Los Angeles, would allow undocumented immigrants to obtain California driver's licenses. And since state law requires a license to purchase auto insurance, they could then become insured. The bill, SB60, has passed the Senate and is before the Assembly.

Gil Cedillo wants to give licenses to illegals and has wanted to for quite a while now. But, to think that the person who flaunted US law to get here will suddenly want to become law-abiding by paying for insurance is as ludicrous as the currently logic behind Bush's so-called immigration reform. If we're not enforcing the existing laws now, what makes anyone think we'll enforce the new laws once they're put into place?

Let's look at the number of fake IDs. This is how illegal aliens are able to get trucking jobs, etc. (Immigration loophole leads to spread of fake-ID mills & Fake IDs critical and easy to get)

It is virtually impossible to tell exactly how many of the estimated 10 million undocumented immigrants in the United States use invalid or fraudulently obtained Social Security cards to gain employment, obtain driver's licenses or get loans, but there are indicators that the practice is endemic.


129 posted on 05/06/2007 9:57:10 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (After six years of George W. Bush I long for the honesty and sincerity of the Clinton Administration)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
The fact of the matter is, guessing someone's immigration-status because of their surname is a knee-jerk (and unconservative) reaction of the highest order. The probability of this particular driver being an illegal is equivalent to the ratio of illegal drivers to legal drivers. In other words, using the data you supplied the probability of this driver being an illegal is between one in four and one in five. The fact that this report does not mention his immigration status is irrelevant.

Those are not betting odds.

130 posted on 05/06/2007 10:48:31 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker; 1rudeboy
For more than a year, the Houston Chronicle has closely followed a diverse group of undocumented immigrants in Houston. Virtually all have at some point used phony Social Security cards and numbers. "We do understand that there is a readily available source for these cards," said Wes Davis, a Social Security spokesman in the Dallas regional office. "It's pervasive and a big problem.

If you or I tried to pawn off a fake Social Security Card, or even tried to buy one, we'd be thrown in jail as felons. But there is no equality under the law. Illegal Aliens are exempt from most of the laws Americans and legal residents must obey at the threat of jail or even deportation.

132 posted on 05/06/2007 11:10:08 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker; 1rudeboy
The California DMV estimates that out of 22 million drivers, 1 million are unlicensed. AAA did a study that found that 21 percent (almost 1 in every 4) fatal accidents involved drivers who were not licensed. So, the odds are 1 in 4 that Jorge was an illegal.

You don't see the flaw in this "logic"?

145 posted on 05/06/2007 3:43:50 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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