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To: VRWCer; fanfan; ichabod1; Cvengr; arthurus; ModelBreaker
Allow me to first apologize for not responding to each of you individually, as is my normal habit, but it's been a busy weekend and I thought one "catch-all" reply may cover most of the points many of you brought up.

First, if you look at the second paragraph of my reply at #40, I don't discount, in whole or even in part, that there may be far more going on here than just the mere connecting of dots by a subconscious logic mechanism that we don't understand.

Second, I've never really liked the terms 'paranormal', 'supernatural', etc. as I believe all these things are part of a created universe which we don't entirely comprehend. Not too many centuries ago, humans generally accepted the *fact* that a solar eclipse was the result of a dragon or some other celestial beast gobbling the sun. We now know better, but to think that in the vastness of the universe, our understanding of all phenomena is really that much more complete than it was 500 years ago, is, I think, part of our inherent human vanity. I'm quite certain, a few hundred years from now, people will look back on many of our beliefs and explanations for natural events and find them just as preposterous as a dragon noshing on the sun (how's that for a prediction?). Just because we don't understand or can't explain why something happens doesn't mean it isn't entirely natural and/or explicable. My GOD and Creator made a wonderfully diverse and complex universe (or even if you will, multitude of universes), the workings of which are slowly revealed to us, but to think that things we can't explain are anything other than natural or His doing is an expression really, of how full of our selves we really are.

Thirdly, we in the west, tend to think of temporal things in a very linear, sequential pattern. This works OK to explain why we, and those around us get older, and the direct cause and effect of events we can directly influence and observe. I believe that our Creator transcends time and that his creation is not just the here and now, but also includes the thens, past and present and even the merely possible. Viewed in its totality like this, the occasional incidents of prophecy, foresight and precognition are amazing simply for the fact that they are not more common than reported, and a further indication of how little we know and are aware of the immensity of all creation, and our rare and infrequent experiences with predictive visions are merely a dipping of the toes in the ocean of created reality. Moreover, in a theological sense, our linear thought process creates doubts and questions like "why do bad things happen to good people," or notions like, "no good deed goes unpunished." There are indeed, consequences for our actions, but if time is not looked at as a simply linear progression but a more circular or all-encompassing cloud or sphere, we don't find ourselves wrestling (as vigorously, anyways) with such propositions.

I, of all people, would not presume to know the fullness of GOD's doings, or the nature of his workings, but have spent some time pondering these things, and more than arriving at any answers, I've tended to question things more deeply. I have concluded however, that we have a Creator of far more infinite complexity than we might hope to comprehend, and who has in fact, blessed us with a creation of which we are an integral part, even if we don't fully understand exactly how we interact with the rest of it, be that in a temporal, spiritual or physical manner.

Having said all that, I'll reiterate my initial assertion that much (certainly not all) of these seemingly precognitive incidents arise from knowledge we've collected and the exercise of human logic. With that in mind, my personal definition of "human logic" is not so much the cold, clinical Sherlock Holmes/Mr. Spock definition of the word, but more closely aligned with what most people would refer to as "intuition," a combination of interpolation, or extrapolation, and which is a uniquely human gift from GOD. So, rather than my initial reply to this thread being a mere write-off of a seemingly arcane phenomena, a "swamp gas" type explanation, if you will, I do think of it as having a Divine component, even if it is *merely* the exercise of a GOD-given gift that few of us have chosen to develop and exercise. In that regard, it is a very special thing, but rather than being eerie or mysterious, it may very well be something that is far more intimately known to us all, even if the majority of us don't even acknowledge it or even, in some cases (like many of our blessings from GOD), choose to deny it....

162 posted on 05/06/2007 1:40:20 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

See my post 166. :^ )


170 posted on 05/06/2007 5:22:00 PM PDT by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
At one time I worked in the office of a large building which contained dozens of pieces of constantly running machinery. There was a ubiquitous drone of motors and fans and whatnot running and kicking on and off which was background noise in whatever we were doing. We got used to it and became accustomed to speaking in loud voices over the din.

On occasion I would get an uneasy feeling and announce that "something's wrong". Without fail, we would check the equipment and find that some machine had quit working. Others in the office regarded me as somewhat strange but I was never wrong. Always there was some motor that had failed to kick on or off or just had ceased to function. I was able to discern that the total noise level or pitch was changed by the absence of one contributing noise source. I couldn't tell which individual piece it was but I could tell that the overall noise level had changed where others could not.

The maintenance guys gradually came to rely on my sense of "harmonics" to tell if everything was operating normally.

171 posted on 05/06/2007 5:37:23 PM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: Joe 6-pack

Extremely well put! I couldn’t have said it better myself! That’s just about exactly the way I view this whole phenomena. Thank you for putting it so eloquently! :-)


179 posted on 05/06/2007 8:34:15 PM PDT by VRWCer ("The Bible is the Rock on which this Republic rests." - President Andrew Jackson)
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