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"I don’t like it - Patton could have taken Berlin and Moscow were it not for communists in the US govt."

Patton never experienced the horrors of the Eastern Front. If he had, he might have dropped his pearl-handed revolvers and ran. The world may never know...

We would have had nuclear weapons by the time we reached Moscow, and they would have had none.

“Patton never experienced the horrors of the Eastern Front.If he had, he might have dropped his pearl-handed revolvers and ran.”

I take it you do not like the best American General of all time. I also take it that you do not know that he stared down Messershmidts and charging horsemen with those Colts.

Who are your favorite generals? The Russian ones that sent their men to combat with 2 bullets and a gun pointed at their backs? Or the Russian generals that sent their own soldiers to the Gulag after WWII because they saw how prosperous Europe was. Or how about the KGB generals that killed 100 million in the last century?

Actually, I don’t think it would the front would have developed the way it did if Patton had been commanding it (on either side...). He had a fine understanding of history and Napoleon’s retreat from Moscow would have haunted his dreams until the fighting was concluded one way or another.

Then again, Patton would have never survived the USSR’s or Nazi Germany's political climate. Heck, he could barely survive the Allies...

Besides, they were not pearl handled - they were ivory!

Actually, I don’t think it would the front would have developed the way it did if Patton had been commanding it (on either side...). He had a fine understanding of history and Napoleon’s retreat from Moscow would have haunted his dreams until the fighting was concluded one way or another.

Then again, Patton would have never survived the USSR’s or Nazi Germany's political climate. Heck, he could barely survive the Allies...

Besides, they were not pearl handled - they were ivory!

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JadeEmperor,

I've read somewhere that the Russians suffered ONE-MILLION casualties (KIA and Wounded) taking Berlin and it's outskirts.

Even if only half of that figure is accurate, then the Soviet's capture of Berlin almost (on a scale factor) makes Iwo Jima look like a birthday party .... with "absolutely" no disrespect to the U.S Marines ...

The Germans and Russians not only engaged in horrible, immense "set-piece" battles on the Eastern Front ... but also (savagely) ripped each other's gut out in Urban Warfare (Moscow, Leningrad, et al) ... that once again ... made taking various French villages (after Normandy) look like a cakewalk.

Think of the WWII Eastern Front as a 25X version of the savage Iran-Iraq war in the late 1980s.

The United States could have "only" won a post-WWII war with the Soviet Union via-a-via "massive" use of atomic weapons ... and even so, how many Russian cities have to be obliberated before Uncle Joe Stalin surrenders ?

Twenty ? Fifty ? Two-Hundred ?

The American people would NEVER have endorsed that level of Satanic wholesale slaughter of Russian civilians ... NEVER ...

Just some thoughts ...

Patton-at-Bastogne

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