The "russians" will always be allied with our enemies.
Posted on 05/04/2007 8:48:35 PM PDT by james500
Russia's Parliament has voted to restore the communist-era hammer and sickle to the official flag of the Russian Army.
It is expect President Vladimir Putin will ratify the move in time for next week's commemorations marking the end of World War II in Europe.
If so, Russians will again have the Soviet version of the victory banner for next week's Victory in Europe parade in Moscow.
For many Russians, especially the elderly, its symbolism is immense.
The red banner, together with the hammer, sickle and a white star, was the one raised on the Reichstag roof on May 1, 1945.
Millions of people all over the world know that photograph, but in Russia its significance is much deeper, with the Soviet victory over fascism in World War II remaining something seen in almost religious terms.
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I agree with everything you have said.
I meant no disrespect to Patton either. My ire was directed towards the arrogance exhibited by spanalot of the typical “oh, we could’ve just marched on to Moscow”.
Best Regards,
JadeEmperor
Was it satanic to nuke the Japanese and bomb Dresden? Or is it only satanic to kill Russians?
Sure, you do not care about facts, only about an ideologicized version of reality.
"I take it you do not like the best American General of all time. I also take it that you do not know that he stared down Messershmidts and charging horsemen with those Colts."I mean to disrespect to Patton. My somewhat asinine comment was purely in response to your asinine comment.
"Who are your favorite generals? The Russian ones that sent their men to combat with 2 bullets and a gun pointed at their backs?Are you quoting from a Hollywood graphic fantasy "Enemy at the gates"? LOL. Actually, much of what I was going to say to you has already been said in response to you by instantgratification. If you care to know what my favorite general on the Soviet side is, its Zhukov. Both for his ability to use the resources he had and for guts he had to verbally challenge Stalin on several occasions. He also, as instantgratification pointed out, commanded genuine love and respect from his troops. In fact, his popularity and image were a major reason he was forced into an informal exile during later Stalin years, basically confined to his home.
Or the Russian generals that sent their own soldiers to the Gulag after WWII because they saw how prosperous Europe was."
"Or the Russian generals that sent their own soldiers to the Gulag after WWII because they saw how prosperous Europe was.""That was NKVD, not the Red Army that did that.
The "russians" will always be allied with our enemies.
"Ivan tries to give the credit to Gorbachev because he wants to deny it to Yeltsin, who is to be denounced as a western pawn."Actually, the majority of Russian ultranationalists denounce Gorby as a "pawn" as well and/or maybe even a direct CIA "plant". As bad as, if not worse than Yeltsin. I take it you are not very familiar with the conspiracy theories that float on the Russian side of the net regarding the subject. A good deal of Russian ultra-nationalists today, who are anti-communists but also rabidly judeophobic, also hold Putin in the same regard:
The caption reads "A k**ke dog on the throne, while Ivan and Maria are in the 'zone'" ('zone' is Russian slang for a prison camp.) The photo is from May 9th parade by ultra-nationalist, which unlike the march of Dissenters, was allowed to go on.
Truth is sometimes stranger than fiction.
If anyone in 1982 said that the Wall was going to come down one day, he would have been advised to have his head examined.
(couldn't find one of their banner on fire).
So Japanese civilians deserved Hiroshima and Nagasaki because of the rape of Nanking, and German civilians deserved Dresden for the Holocaust, but the Soviets didn't deserve the same treatment for killing more innocents than the Nazis and Japanese combined? Sorry, I don't get your logic.
Fought a desperate war in which lots of people gave their lives under a particular flag?
"When the people have a free press, former soviet states are allowed to govern themselves, and a KGB agent is not running the country I'll be interested in building bridges. Until then...."By the way, in the past 15 years a relatively "free press" existed in Russia - only since the time Putin assumed power, has the authoritarism began to return. And there are still several degrees of control between what the society is in Russia today, versus what was like in 1982, for example. Anyone who lived there can tell you that. As for the ex-Soviet states, do you consider the central Asian "stans" which are now ruled by their own tinpot dictators, "communist"? Some of them, like Turkmenistan have an even more backward form of government than late-day USSR ever was, second only to Stalin's era.
I fully agree with you on China. I think that the Western world is very distracted and easily diverted from strategic dangers.
And I am in Australia, so as you can imagine, my concerns about China’s long-term plans are quite real.
This is more than just a symbolic gesture or a salute to the past.
So you would decry their right to observe their national sacrifice as they see fit, but proclaim the south’s?
Not to mention many seem to be on a race for bottom line profits, regardless of consequences.
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