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To: George W. Bush

Mormonism is not what makes Utah conservative. Utah is conservative because it is a member of the Intermountain States and all those States are governed by individual rights. They are rugged indivualists and abhor Federal Government intrusion precisely because of their status as minority (and therefore overruled) by large urban interests. We see this in every single ‘Red’ State, and not just Utah. Your assumption is incorrect.

Now let us address your assumption that we cannot win without Mormon backing. There are about 5,000,000 Mormons withing the United States (by their own recogning). 1,000,000 of them live in Utah. That leaves 4,000,000 divided between the rest of the 49 States. California has the highest number of LDS (about 2,000,000), but California’s electoral votes almost always go Democrat. Mormonism’s effect in California is negliglble.

Between California and Utah, the balance of Mormons live in the West and so the States where they reside have few electoral votes to consider. Of the 3,000,000 or so Mormons that live in the US (besides Utah and California,) by all estimates only 1/2 of them are active LDS. EX-Mormons and inactive Mormons are predominantly liberals as can be viewed by opinions on this site. http://www.exmormon.org

So, of those 1,500,000 active LDS living in the balance of the 48 States, only 1/2 of those are of voting age (if that many, since Mormons have a high preponderance of their membership in children due to their birth rate). So we are left with 750,000 voting LDS members (some of whom will vote democrat)

Now let us divide those 750,000 members by 48 States, and if every active Mormon who is able to cast votes does so for the Republican candidate, we would have an average of 15,625 Mormon votes per State.

The effects of those votes even if they went 100% in favor of Democrats would be nothing. Mormons, if they turn tail and run to the Democrats would show the preposterousness of their own political position.

Believe me, Mormons need the Republican party FAR more than we need them. They are using us IMO to further their own political agenda. They get away with it by accusing us of bigotry, hate, and prosecution. This is clearly a liberal tactic.

In the realm of politics, if you think you have something better, then prove it. If we don’t accept your proof, that’s just too bad. That’s politics.

If Romney were gay instead of Mormon, we would never even be discussing the issue. A gay politician has beliefs that conflict with ours, we are not required to accept the position that somehow we must accept him or be labled as bigoted, hateful, persecutors.


467 posted on 05/05/2007 9:49:16 AM PDT by colorcountry (An Honest Man will change his thoughts to match the truth and a Dishonest Man will change the truth)
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To: colorcountry
We see this in every single ‘Red’ State, and not just Utah. Your assumption is incorrect.

I've lived in two states that were all-Red in 2000. I don't think I'd agree entirely. Certainly, Nebraska doesn't fit your generalization.

Regardless, without Utah, there would be no Bush administration in the White House.

Even discounting Utah, it would be difficult to believe that the Mormon voters of Florida did not provide far more than the margin of 500 votes for our victory in 2000. Of course, it does not hinge around Mormons. But they are a key component of the party.

Given that Mormon voting populations are more concentrated in certain states than you suggest, I'm not going to respond to your other analysis. But I don't accept it.

EX-Mormons and inactive Mormons are predominantly liberals as can be viewed by opinions on this site.

And ex-Catholics and inactive Catholics are also liberals. Look at the northeast. I don't think you actually have a point here.

Believe me, Mormons need the Republican party FAR more than we need them. They are using us IMO to further their own political agenda.

And what, precisely, is this "Mormon political agenda"? Describe it in detail.

They get away with it by accusing us of bigotry, hate, and prosecution. This is clearly a liberal tactic.

Aside from the tendencies in this vanity's original post, I don't see it much. I certainly don't see it coming from Romney, he's running a very positive campaign, notably so. I like his commercials on Fox News during the Hume show. Very effective. I very much like when he talks about vetoes: "I like the veto.". He sounds like a Boy Scout going after his Veto Badge. Makes me smile. Almost as funny as his remarks about being a longtime "rodent hunter". Pretty humorous, though in part unintentional so.

As for your other conclusions, I think I have already provided a far more comprehensive set of answers about libmedia/Dim strategy against us and the attempt to neutralize the Mormon/GOP vote.
476 posted on 05/05/2007 10:35:11 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Election Math For Dummies: GOP รท Rudi = Hillary)
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To: colorcountry

“Mormonism is not what makes Utah conservative. Utah is conservative because it is a member of the Intermountain States and all those States are governed by individual rights.”

Utah is a whole lot more conservative that Colorado these days.

Mormons vote 90% Republican. If that’s not keeping Utah, Idaho, and Wyoming red, I don’t know what is.


559 posted on 05/05/2007 4:10:08 PM PDT by tantiboh
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