They Shoot Mormons, Don't They? Religious Bigotry, alive and well today

Saundra Duffy

[tantiboh]

“It’s no accident that the Dims selected a Mormon to lead their Senate. They are trying to split our loyal Mormon allies from the Party Of Reagan.”

Believe me, those of us Mormons who are politically aware are mortified by Reid and would love to see him defeated at the polls. If splitting Mormons away was their tactic, it has backfired.

[colorcountry]

Urban societies are generally liberal. Rural societies are generally conservative.

Colorado has become more Urban and infiltrated by the left. It has happened in Montana, and will continue to happen in Utah, Nevada, and even Wyoming to a lesser extent. Mormons cannot have enough babies to counter balance it. The tide is turning in the West. The only way to stop it is to promote our ideals.

They don’t necessarily have to be LDS ideals, they can be conservative ideals, or rugged individualism.

One thing that disturbs me about Mormonism is the tendency to think they are better than the rest of us. Why heck, if it weren’t for all those good Mormon folks in Utah, it would just be another liberal State.

Don’t be confused tantiboh, conservatism is a solid political idea - - it is not Mormonism and it is not dependant upon Mormonism, and it will continue even if Mormonism is wiped from the face of the earth. The rugged indivualist of this country drive it, Mormonism does not.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

3) “If there is a Mormon in the White House, Salt Lake City will call the shots, at least on the biggest issues.” Hewitt (2007, p. 221-227)

LOL! This reminds me of those worries that floated around about John F. Kennedy and, if I'm correct, Clarence Thomas taking orders from the Pope.

[Ditter]

Did Joseph Smith find gold tablets and then lose them? Did JS advocate polygamy? If the answer is yes then I just find the history of your religion a little weird and hard to swallow but then I don’t have to.

If Romney is the republican candidate, I will have no problem voting for him. I respect Mormons for the upstanding citizens they are now but I don’t need the books, thanks.

[greyfoxx39]

His explanation is that he has always been privately pro-life, and publicly laissez-faire.

Gee, Tantiboh, the man is admitting he lies for "political reasons". Is that like "Lying for the Lord"? Sure inspires confidence in the man's word.

[tantiboh]

“The GOP is FAR, FAR more in need of the Evangelicals whom (if we can use the OP as any indication) are completely despised by the LDS.”

You know that’s not true, CC. Evangelicals make great converts!

[George W. Bush]

And so the argument commences. Pretty soon, names like non-Christian, bigot, cultist, polygamist, etc. start flying around. It’s silly, foolish, and childish. It’s doing no one any good.

It'll end up doing the Dims a lot of good if it torpedoes our most able and attractive candidate. This first debate showed that Romney at least has that potential. The man seems likable, perhaps with the kind of charisma to make him a crossover, Reagan-landslide kind of candidate. And his wife is great in public, a real sweetheart.

If Romney is for real as a conservative, this is incredibly destructive.

I guess it's a good thing to have such a long pre-primary season. More time to find out about candidates, throw liberals under the bus (Giuliani), pin down Romney so we know who he really is.

Maybe getting this debate out of the way early, letting people really take it out on each other, will be a good thing. Then when things get more serious toward the end of '07, FR management can clamp down on it. But I would hate to see us sidelined or turned into an anti-Mormon site because of this stuff.

[tantiboh]

Thanks for sharing.

[tantiboh]

“Mormonism teaches that every member should use any oportunity and any means necessary to convert people. So do Christians. But don’t assume there was no ulterior motive in the actions of these young men. They are sent on Mission precisely to do what they did for your parents. This is one of their “methods of operation.” They were doing their job, and doing it very well.”

I’m very impressed with you well you worked genuine Christian service into a cynical ploy to subvert a victim’s faith. Unless I read the story wrong, the parents never converted.

[Colofornian]

No, Jesus never said that the Father is the ONLY one to talk to...So the Nephite disciples were off-base? Stephen was wrong?

What about Jesus' invite to openly "sup" with Him? "Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and him with me." (Rev. 3:20)

I guess if we got ahold of LDS apostle Bruce McConkie's notes from the '80s, we'd see Rev. 3:20 excised from his Bible. [That would be seeking a "special relationship" with Jesus]

[restornu]

Mormons are very, very good at being good people. Many are very, very bad at humility and admitting their own sins. They are “proud” as one poster put it. They do not look to the Savior for salvation, but as their own article of faith #3 states:

“We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.”

They think their own perfect obedience and works will earn them Exaltation and godhood. It isn’t a Christian teaching. This is just one example

CC the Lord can read our hearts and minds and if one is just doing something for unlawful gain the Lord is aware.

Do you think backbiting rebellious souls reside in the present of the God?

How can the savior save one if the sinner refuses to change their way or say I was born that way, or blame it on the Lord that the way God made me, and so many souls don’t want to change their ways and allowed the Lord to edify them?

Our Judeo-Christian Laws and Covenants (contracts) come from God.

God had made a Covenant with Abraham and his seed but a covenant which is a contract is honored when there is a meeting of two minds.

D&C 132: 4, 6-7,
4 For behold, I reveal unto you a new and an everlasting covenant; and if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye damned; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory.
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6 And as pertaining to the new and everlasting covenant, it was instituted for the fulness of my glory; and he that receiveth a fulness thereof must and shall abide the law, or he shall be damned, saith the Lord God.
7 And verily I say unto you, that the conditions of this law are these: All covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, oaths, vows, performances, connections, associations, or expectations, that are not made and entered into and sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, of him who is anointed, both as well for time and for all eternity, and that too most holy, by revelation and commandment through the medium of mine anointed, whom I have appointed on the earth to hold this power (and I have appointed unto my servant Joseph to hold this power in the last days, and there is never but one on the earth at a time on whom this power and the keys of this priesthood are conferred), are of no efficacy, virtue, or force in and after the resurrection from the dead; for all contracts that are not made unto this end have an end when men are dead.

Gen. 17: 2, 4, 7, 9-11,
2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.
• • •
4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
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7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
• • •
9 ¶ And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

3 Ne. 20: 12, 19, 22, 25-27, 29, 46
12 And verily, verily, I say unto you, that when they shall be fulfilled then is the fulfilling of the covenant which the Father hath made unto his people, O house of Israel.
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19 For I will make my people with whom the Father hath covenanted, yea, I will make thy horn iron, and I will make thy hoofs brass. And thou shalt beat in pieces many people; and I will consecrate their gain unto the Lord, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth. And behold, I am he who doeth it.
• • •
22 And behold, this people will I establish in this land, unto the fulfilling of the covenant which I made with your father Jacob; and it shall be a New Jerusalem. And the powers of heaven shall be in the midst of this people; yea, even I will be in the midst of you.
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25 And behold, ye are the children of the prophets; and ye are of the house of Israel; and ye are of the covenant which the Father made with your fathers, saying unto Abraham: And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
26 The Father having raised me up unto you first, and sent me to bless you in turning away every one of you from his iniquities; and this because ye are the children of the covenant—
27 And after that ye were blessed then fulfilleth the Father the covenant which he made with Abraham, saying: In thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed—unto the pouring out of the Holy Ghost through me upon the Gentiles, which blessing upon the Gentiles shall make them mighty above all, unto the scattering of my people, O house of Israel.
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29 And I will remember the covenant which I have made with my people; and I have covenanted with them that I would gather them together in mine own due time, that I would give unto them again the land of their fathers for their inheritance, which is the land of Jerusalem, which is the promised land unto them forever, saith the Father.
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46 Verily, verily, I say unto you, all these things shall surely come, even as the Father hath commanded me. Then shall this covenant which the Father hath covenanted with his people be fulfilled; and then shall Jerusalem be inhabited again with my people, and it shall be the land of their inheritance.

Conventional religion does not address these covenants which they would have no authority to do so anyway, where the priesthood of the Lord does not exist!

The Lord said he would have humble people.

2 Chr. 7
14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

D&C 1: 28
28 And inasmuch as they were humble they might be made strong, and blessed from on high, and receive knowledge from time to time.
D&C 4: 6
6 Remember faith, virtue, knowledge, temperance, patience, brotherly kindness, godliness, charity, humility, diligence.
D&C 11: 12
12 And now, verily, verily, I say unto thee, put your trust in that Spirit which leadeth to do good—yea, to do justly, to walk humbly, to judge righteously; and this is my Spirit.
D&C 12: 8
8 And no one can assist in this work except he shall be humble and full of love, having faith, hope, and charity, being temperate in all things, whatsoever shall be entrusted to his care.
D&C 20: 37
37 And again, by way of commandment to the church concerning the manner of baptism—All those who humble themselves before God, and desire to be baptized, and come forth with broken hearts and contrite spirits, and witness before the church that they have truly repented of all their sins, and are willing to take upon them the name of Jesus Christ, having a determination to serve him to the end, and truly manifest by their works that they have received of the Spirit of Christ unto the remission of their sins, shall be received by baptism into his church.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

If he ends up with the nomination, I will vote for him.

Same here. The only one I wouldn't vote for is MeCain.

[colorcountry]

I said they did their job perfectly by fellowshipping that poor couple.

Thank God, it didn’t work. :-D

[greyfoxx39]

) “If there is a Mormon in the White House, Salt Lake City will call the shots, at least on the biggest issues.” Hewitt (2007, p. 221-227)

LOL! This reminds me of those worries that floated around about John F. Kennedy and, if I'm correct, Clarence Thomas taking orders from the Pope.

Read my post #226: "You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the Law of Consecration as contained in the Doctrine and Covenants, in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion.

This is an oath taken by Romney in the mormon temple. Are you certain that if Romney took the presidential oath of office it would supersede this oath?

I imagine this is what Hewitt was referring to. I don't think it is a laughing matter.

[tantiboh]

“To tell the truth, I think Romney is much more drawn to it for the Scouting and the focus on family life and community. I don’t perceive him as being very theological.”

Romney is a former Stake President - that’s pretty high in the LDS Church. Such a position is responsible for overseeing an organizational unit of the Church of several thousand members, and is roughly analogous to a Catholic bishop. He’s a very solid, faithful Mormon. He just doesn’t choose to inject his personal religious views into the public debate.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

“I would like to see each state be able to make its own law with regard to abortion. I think the Roe v. Wade one-size-fits-all approach is wrong.”

I wouldn't be so hard on him over that. A number of FReepers agree with him (I'm not one of them).

[George W. Bush]

Believe me, those of us Mormons who are politically aware are mortified by Reid and would love to see him defeated at the polls. If splitting Mormons away was their tactic, it has backfired.

But just look at what a weak sister Reid really is. Weak mousy diminutive man, scratchy voice, no humor, corrupt business dealings, etc. That is the best choice to represent the Dim Senate Majority?

If you can think of a single reason why he's the Dim majority leader other than as a lure to Mormons toward the Dim party, I'd love to hear it.

Honestly, it should by all rights be Schmucky Schumer. He may be oily but his cold-blooded calculations in '06 (such as cutting off all funds to Xlinton, Nelson, etc.) was key to their victory in the Senate races. Reid has never done anything comparable for their party.

I think it is no coincidence that Reid is a Mormon. And I don't think it's any coincidence that Salt Lake has gone after the FLDS with a vengeance now (but not before the Olympic there). We've all know about FLDS for decades. Why now, eh?

There is a mighty strange confluence of events, all involving Mormons in this. I'm not suggesting anything sinister here. But I do think the Mormon vote and the public reputation of Mormons in general are in extraordinary focus right now. I don't think it's just a coincidence.

[George W. Bush]

You know that’s not true, CC. Evangelicals make great converts!

Oh, sure, throw some gasoline on the fire.

You know, you're going to get the Texas General Baptists on a real tear with that tack.

[greyfoxx39]

Maybe getting this debate out of the way early, letting people really take it out on each other, will be a good thing. Then when things get more serious toward the end of '07, FR management can clamp down on it. But I would hate to see us sidelined or turned into an anti-Mormon site because of this stuff.

Advocating a little censorship there, GWB? You are concerned about "anti-mormon" stuff here, just wait. If Romney gets the nomination, the hounds of hell (meaning the Clinton machine) will be set loose on him through the mainstream media and the Republicans will go down in flames, White House, House and Senate.

[tantiboh]

I do believe that DU was legitimately pinged into the conversation. I noticed that you and needlenose_neely often appear in the same threads as Mormons. I do not suspect you of trying to harass them.

DU and NN have very similar interests, albeit opposite perspectives. What is surprising about seeing them on many of the same threads?