Posted on 05/04/2007 5:46:36 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy
And so will the name of Saundra Duffy and I.
That isn’t a prophecy...that is the human condition.
Just as the name George W. Bush is known for good and evil and anyone else except perhaps Mother Theresa (and to think, she isn’t even a Prophet of God.)
I think they made a Saint out of Mother Theresa . . . I hope but still there was only one sinless person, Jesus Christ, our Friend. They also accused Jesus of being from the devil.
Say what are you doing up so early, FReeper pal? It’s 6 AM here.
Goin to Church.
My Church (Sacrament meeting) starts at 1 p.m.; the Spanish speaking LDS folk meet at 9 a.m. and in January we switch back and they will meet at 1. Have a great day and I wouldn’t mind a bit if you prayed for me.
I’m sorry Saundra. I’m not aware of your need for prayer, but I will.
And I’ll pray for you.
Let’s see . . . my specific need for you to pray about is that I become a more gentle soul and stop wanting to bop all the anti-Mormons upside the head.
I've tried to get out, but as of now it is still (according to the LDS membership division) my religion. And Binger's too, if I'm not mistaken.
It’s cuz we love you, silly.
Ah, see, I am an answer to your prayer. I’m giving you lots and lots of practice with anti’s.
We are FreeRepublic’s own mini reinactment of what would happen in a debate during a national Presidential election.
You and I (and other Freeps) are learning how to handle ourselves and effectively represent our side of Romney’s candidacy. Look at these discussions as the great learning, preparation opportunity that they are.
And I do appreciate being called an Apostate with little on no self control over things of the coffee pot and beer bottle. Oh, I forgot, it's because someone said something mean to me and I got my feelings hurt. LOL
At this point of my life I do not give a hoot about membership in any organization...I am still a member of my college fraternity...I just don't have an interest in playing with immature no nothings with heads full of mush.(credit Rush)
I do believe that strong individuals have no need to join anything. In my world everybody is seeking titles to make themselves seem more important. ASA, ADA, FADA, CAA, AAM, ASIA, AADA and the list goes on.
It's sometimes tough to stand alone without any organization to prop you up.
You asked this back in #1365 & I wanted to respond in a broader way than just the rigid scheduled life of an LDS missionary...because frankly folks like CC have pointed out how much spiritual control is even wielded by some lay folks (bishops).
This also dovetales into your responses to me having to do with Ezra Taft Benson's comment that "The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything."
Ya gotta understand that the outside world's perpective of Mormonism doesn't just arrive in total cluelessness. For those who love history, LDS is rich in exploring--from more recent history where Benson laid down those "14 Fundies in Following the Proph" (1980) to 100+ yrs before that when Brigham said:
"When brother Joseph Smith lives, he was our Prophet, our Seer, and Revelator: he was our dictator in the things of God, and it was for us to listen to him, and do just as he told us." (JoD, vol. 1, p. 106)
Benson said, as one of those fundamentals, "The Prophet does not have to say, 'Thus Saith the Lord,' to give us Scripture." (Fundie # 6)
Thus, when Brigham said that Joseph is "our dictator in the things of God," Joe's words don't have to go through a "Ten Commandments" type of stone print job or an LDS gold plate print job to be tabulated as "Scripture" as authorized and determined by the latest gen authorities. Enough LDS prophets from Brigham to Ezra Taft have repeated what Joe said in History of the Church (only more authoritatively tactful than how Joe framed it):
"God made Aaron to be the mouthpiece for the children of Israel. and He will make me be god to you in His stead, and the Elders to be mouth for me; and if you don't like it, you must lump it." (HoC, vol. 6, pp. 319-320)
There ya have it: Your living prophet is your scripture factory (Benson). The original prophet was a "god" and "dictator" to his people--even if some of them are "lumpy"; plus he's consider a "god" in the celestial kingdom beyond. The fact is, we just don't see LDS touting that they consider JoeSmith is divine, even if they make one distinction by saying that he's not the godhead they directly relate to.
Ya just gotta understand that if the LDS church has a P.R. prob, it's not us.
I would advise you Colofornian, to study your scriptures to discern which groups Jesus was conversing with, it was not those who were keeping the covenant of Abraham, those two groups Pharisees and Sudceees were apostates of their day! They had no promise with the Lord they were contentious by their very nature towards him! If they continue with their attitude they might have ended up in the Telestrail heaven and there is no marriage there no gender or the Terrestrial is where those who are good, receive a glory and are angels with no gender, so what would the need for marriage be if they have no gender!:) [Restornu]
Resty, I never did respond to this: Jesus says clearly in Matt 22:30 "At the resurrection people [not just certain kinds of people like celestial-degree folks, but PEOPLE] will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven."
So what? Angels marry? Or Angels marry on this earth, but can't get remarried in heaven? Whatever the angels are like in their heavenly marital state is what's in store for resurrected folks.
Well you can arrive at that conclusion because of the you are evalulating it by the understanding of those who are living the lesser law which the Pharisees prided themselves on their strict observance of the law.
The Sadducees also were powerful though quite small in numbers and their treatment of religious questions they held to the letter of the Mosaic revelation and denied the authority of ancient tradition.
So none of them were readly to receive nor hear the higher law!
Just like today some will argue and say that is not so even though back then they had the Lord talking to them and theys still did not want to hear it!
We are having the same conversation, it is the pattern only in modern garb!
I appreciate your concern.
However, you lack the perspective of a fundamental point that I and others like me have tried to convey to you on multiple occasions:
I don’t believe a thing the President of the LDS Church tells me, on its own merits. Every word, every doctrine is subject to the veto of the Holy Ghost. If God tells me a doctrine is true, then I believe it, and I seek to understand why it is true. If God does not tell me, then I do not accept it as my own.
It’s an incredibly useful tool in life, and one that is available to everybody who will use it with humility and real intent. God will guide His people; it is not His will to leave us in darkness. I merely turn that fact to my benefit.
The Prophet is God’s mouthpiece; but that does not mean that we are expected to take his words on faith, be that man Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Gordon Hinckley, or Abraham.
Oh well, so much for respecting the law :^(
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“The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.”
Wait a cotton pickin’ minute. Isn’t that what the Catholics say about the Pope?
We actually believe that Gordon B. Hinckley (LDS living Prophet) has this authority. Yes. He has a very sweet spirit. He implores people to obey the Commandments and to love one another. What a monster.
Quoting Joseph Smith: “Some few days after I had this vision, I happened to be in company with one of the Methodist preachers, who was very active in the before mentioned religious excitement; and, conversing with him on the subject of religion, I took occasion to give him an account of the vision which I had had. I was greatly surprised at his behavior; he treated my communication not only lightly, but with great contempt, saying it was all of the devil, that there were no such things as visions or revelations in these days; that all such things had ceased with the apostles, and that there would never be any more of them.
“I soon found, however, that my telling the story had excited a great deal of prejudice against me among professors of religion, and was the cause of great persecution, which continued to increase; and though I was an obscure boy, only between fourteen and fifteen years of age, and my circumstances in life such as to make a boy of no consequence in the world, yet men of high standing would take notice sufficient to excite the public mind against me, and create a bitter persecution; and this was common among all the sects - all united to persecute me.”
WHAT HAS CHANGED?
Harry Reid is a MINO (Mormon in Name Only) and a huge embarrassment.
Putting aside Saundra’s poor track record on endorsements she has a point on what has changed. Romney should be discarded because of the facts of his record, not the faith of his fathers.
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