Posted on 05/04/2007 5:46:36 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy
"no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith"
Could you please include the entire paragraph. It is quite short.
He won't even tell us what church he goes to/ belongs to/ was baptized in. Why do you not tell us? Why the deception?
Obviously, Cornelius did not die without a knowledge of the Gospel. That is why he does not fit. Why not answer the question that I asked instead of dancing all around it.
Anybody have a better spell checker than the one that comes with word? I almost think I should just raw type like this!
You know, not to be cheeky, but the FR spell checker works pretty good. :)
Here is the relevance for what I tried to share with you and apparently I fumbled it: Cornelius was studying Judaism and heard of Jesus, as you may find in the context of the conversion story for Cornelius and his household, though Cornelius was still a gentile in Peter's eyes; those not in Judaism prior to the coming of Jesus were under the Noahic covenant and not under the law of Moses; the entire of creation testifies of God's existence and thus the verse in Jeremiah is relevant to the non-Jew and non-Christian ... and someone who has known nothing of Jesus is under the Noahic covenant and God measures the heart; little children are naturally faith exercisers and thus trust in what God gives them in the witness of creation in them and around them; 'being saved' is relevant to entering Heaven, as The Bride of Christ OR as a guest to the wedding, and there is ultimate implication for the Judgement Seat of Christ, eventually, for ALL will be resurrected to eternal life or one of two other fates, the lake of fire or oblivion; a little innocent child is the easiest soul for God to measure, as per Jeremiah, because that one is naturally exercising faith and trust.
We are often taught about hell fire, but there is another fate of man that is seldom dealt with, oblivion, dying and just dissipating into nothingness following the Great White Trone of Judgement, no reward or punishment. The punishment of Satan and his angels is called the lake of fire and some humans will have a portion in that punishment. But the Great White Throne of Judgement is a very different picture from the wedding of the Lamb and The Bride, and it is hallmarked by rewards and/or a command to 'depart from me, I never knew you.' Study that judgement scene and find the relevance to 'being saved' and you will have an answer to your question.
I mentioned the different 'destinies' issue because it is common to mix the destinies and confuse the issue of salvation for a wedding or salvation 'as if by fire'.
I flind the one with FireFaox works greet!
LOL!
Who Raised Jesus From the Dead?
*GALATIANS 1:1 . . . God the Father, who raised him from the dead;) {cf. 1 Thess 1:10}
<>ROMANS 8:11 . . . the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, . . .
+JOHN 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Does FireFaox know how to spell it’s own name?
(A spello when telling me about a better spell check is not impressive)
Does FireFox work with Vista (I hate it and have been stuck with it because my old Laptop died Argh!!)
Delphi, I think you are a little confused about "Prophets at the head."
These are just some of the Prophets of the OT The books in this section deal with the lives and messages of some of the prophets who lived at in Israel’s history. The books are not arranged in chronological order. Isaiah, Jeremiah (Lamentations is traditionally associated with him), and Ezekiel, The Major Prophets and Daniel and the twelve minor prophets Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habukkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi.
The Old Testament records concurrent Prophets and also Prohetesses. Only in Mormonism is there a Prophet at the head, a single prophet over all mankind. Your assesment is unheard of in the Bible with one single exception.
In Ephesians 4, Paul said, ". . . we will in all things grow up into Him who is the Head, that is, Christ. From Him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work".
Christ is the final head. He is at the head of His Church. We don't need no "steekin'" prophet since we have the Holy Spirit we all have access to the one and only Prophet. But Christian still believe in prophesy (you do know that right?) Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Not funny...
But I knew that you knew that I knew that you would have a “take the wind out of my joke” come back like that.
You might be dense but not that dense.
I believe DU is closer to actual LDS Doctrine.
While C’s listed assertion is tangentially based on some theories held by some members, neither the listed assertion nor the theories are LDS Doctrine.
Good verse. I agree with that.
1 Jn. 2: 1 1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
I know that Jesus is our advocate with the father. He has given us commandments that we may come more perfectly to salvation. After all, Jesus is the last mediator and the final judge. For all of those who died living to the best light and knowledge they had, there are provisions made. As you pointed out, Christ himself is their judge. However, most Evangelicals believe that if you do not confess Christ in this life, too bad, you're going to hell- even if you lived in a remote jungle or on a distant mountain and never heard his name. That is why Californian dodged the question. That doctrine does not square with what you just pointed out. Catholic doctrine teaches that those who are not baptized in this life, including infants, must likewise perish in hell. This would suggest that God creates man to punish him. That is anathema to His character.
“And actually, you know what? there is one unoffensive title in the list LDS assigns to us: The Church of the Dead Tree”
What list is that? I’m afraid I’ve never come across it.
Matt. 28: 19
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
That’s a contested verse. Eusebius cites that verse multiple times in works written between 300AD and 336AD, in his commentaries on the Psalms, Isaiah, Demonstratio Evangelica, and Theophany, as well as in his famous History of the Church. Each time he cites it in the following form:
‘Go ye and make disciples of all the nations in My name, teaching them to observe all things, whatsoever I commanded you. ‘
Yes, precisely my point: "Looks like three names to me, too. Wanna explain why Scripture doesn't there say "names" (plural) but rather says "name?" (singular)
Or are you going to continue to dodge such as obvious reading of that verse?
When looking at verses, especially in the New Testament, it is always useful to consider to whom the writer is speaking most directly.
Amos 3: 7 7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.
Only in Mormonism is there a Prophet at the head, a single prophet over all mankind.
That is a bit of a stretch from what DU said. The prophets she mentioned were at the head of their dispensation. They were not the only prophets of their dispensation. Likewise, there is a prophet of God on earth today. Joseph Smith, however, is at the head of the dispensation. Also, the head of the dispensation does not mean what you twisted it to, ie: the Head of the Church or the Head of our faith. The prophet today presides at the head of the church, same as Peter was ordained to do in his day. That does not make him the Head of the Church,nor do we subscribe to that. The prophets themselves testify to the fact that Jesus Christ is at the head of His church.
“You have to go out of your way to defend Joseph Smith, because if belief in his infallibility crashes...”
Never claimed infallible, just a prophet.
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