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Rudy did himself harm last night........front-runner Rudy Giuliani may not be the front-runner much longer.........

So much for Rooty's Big Plan to kick social conservatives off the Repub Party lifeboat; in fact, Rooty is the one who looked seasick, bobbing and weaving on the Reagan Library deck.

Clearly, Right to Life was the Big Winner at the first Repub debate----remaining the key issue from which Repub candidates could not escape.

Moderator Chris Matthews was relentless, forcing the candidates to step up to the pro-life plate over and over. Made no matter that Chrissy was probably rubbing it in, emphasizing Repubs as the pro-life party.

Republicans---the pro-life party---and that's the way it's going to stay.

The candidates always learn that abortion is, and will always be, the issue that separates the men from the boys.

1 posted on 05/04/2007 4:05:12 AM PDT by Liz
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It would be OK to repeal it," Rudy said, then quickly added, "It would be OK also if a strict constructionist viewed it as precedent"

He was for overturning it before he was against it.

By a matter of seconds.

2 posted on 05/04/2007 4:08:25 AM PDT by dirtboy (JimRob's 12th Commandment: Thou shall not trash actual pubbies on FR to pimp false pubbies)
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To: Liz

I’m Just Waitin’ On A Fred

Watching girly-men go passing by
It ain’t the latest thing
I’m just standing in a doorway
I’m just trying to make some sense
Out of these girly-men go passing by
The tales of sellout men
I’m not waiting on the Rinos
I’m just waiting on a Fred

His smile relieves a heart that grieves
Remember what I said
I’m not waiting on the Rinos
I’m just waiting on a Fred
I’m just waiting on a Fred

Don’t need a whore
I don’t need no boozer
Don’t need a Mormon priest
But I need someone I can cry to
I need someone to protect me
Making war and breaking heads
It is a game for few
But I’m not waiting on the Rinos
I’m just waiting on a Fred


3 posted on 05/04/2007 4:11:47 AM PDT by Enduring Freedom (my axis of evil includes democrats and liberal media)
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To: Liz

All is proceeding as I have foreseen. The good ship Juliannie is taking on water and listing left. Only a matter of time until he sleeps with the fishies.


4 posted on 05/04/2007 4:13:31 AM PDT by don-o (We are "THEY")
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Rudy was so out of his element, probably the most time he has ever spent around actual republicans and a few conservatives.

N-i-c-e observation.........so true. And did you notice Rooty/Jooty did a fast-disappearing act? She went up on the stage when it was over, grabbed him, and they took off. I guess the RINOS wanted to get away from conservatives........ to cry in their beer at Rooty's flopola.

5 posted on 05/04/2007 4:15:13 AM PDT by Liz (Hunter: For some candidates, a conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it is my hope.)
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What's most remarkable about this column is that it was written by John Podhoretz -- who has been one of Giuliani's strongest cheerleaders over the last few months even to the point of being delusional and pathological about it.

If this is what Podhoretz is saying, then I think it's a safe bet that Giuliani's performance last night was a complete disaster.

7 posted on 05/04/2007 4:17:41 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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I am just so sick of Republicans always agreeing to hobble themselves in some way to try to appease the left. Agreeing to allow Chris Matthews to moderate the debate? Insanity.

The Dems didn’t have any problem with bailing out of a Fox hosted debate on the grounds that Fox is a biased network. So, the idiot Repubs agree to a lightweight hack like Matthews to try to prove . . . what? That they are idiots who are willing to handicap themselves in the race for the White House in order to seek the approval of the left . . . which will never happen anyway.

I think this is one of the reasons that Fred Thompson is so appealing. He is articulate and unapologetic about being a conservative.


9 posted on 05/04/2007 4:28:47 AM PDT by chickadee
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"Republicans---the pro-life party---and that's the way it's going to stay.

And darn proud of it!

What about when Matthews asked "do you think Clinton should be BACK in the WH"? NO! Why would he bring up a dem at a REPUBLICAN debate?

10 posted on 05/04/2007 4:30:32 AM PDT by stopem (God Bless the U.S.A the Troops who protect her, and their Commander In Chief !)
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Social conservatives can cling to this issue right through Hitlery’s innaugeration party.

If Rudy appointed strict constructionists is doesn’t matter
what he believes personally - or how he might react to a decision because when the court decides its out of his hands.

There is no right to abortion in the constitution - it is likewise not constitutional to ban partial birth abortion at the federal level (IMHO). This is a state matter and it is possible to be in favor of abortion but astute enough to know the constitutio does not provide it as a right and also intellectually honest enough to accept that truth. Its like accpeting the rules of any game - you may not like them but if you are honest you accept them for what they are.

We true conservatives have often chided democrats for using the courts to get things that are not in the law and not even constitutional. I am not going to join that crowd.

I’ll be honest - I like Mr. G. because underneath it all he’s mean. The other candiates either cant win or are crazy or are not tough enough to take on the democrats. That’s the problem with our current president. He’s too nice.


11 posted on 05/04/2007 4:37:18 AM PDT by wewereright
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is going down quicker'n

aboard a

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13 posted on 05/04/2007 4:40:46 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Proudly keeping one iron boot on the necks of libertarian faux 'conservatives' since 1958!")
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While Rudy was blowing it on that litmus test, any threads addressing the other one: gun control?


14 posted on 05/04/2007 4:42:47 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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Rooty is the one who looked seasick...

He sure as hell didn't look comfortable... definitely not his rah-rah, effervescent self. Rootie was a L O S E R last night... Romney and Hunter were ready for action.

15 posted on 05/04/2007 4:47:39 AM PDT by johnny7 ("Issue in Doubt." -Col. David Monroe Shoup, USMC 1943)
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I don’t know why this should be a surprise to anyone.

Rudy is likeable - he was a fantastic mayor, but he has never really been a true republican.

This has been a no-brainer from the beginning.


20 posted on 05/04/2007 4:55:17 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Liz
I posted this in the debate thread. While I don't mean to spam across multiple threads, I think it fits better here, so I'm going to repost it. Apologies in advance to those that have to read this twice:

The Giuliani Problem

After the debate last night, one has to believe that Rudy has a serious problem with positioning. Forget about who you want to win the primary, and just compare Giuliani to Romney. If you were the type who is willing to vote for Rudy, what would recommend him over Mitt?

"Inevitability / can beat the Dem candidate" - after last night I have more confidence in Romney's ability to win the general than I do in Rudy's. Mitt would completely embarrass Hillary or Obama in a debate.

Fiscal Responsibility - Giuliani's promoters point to his spending restraint while mayor (regardless of whether the facts bear it out); yet, Romney's success in private and public enterprise is clearly superior.

Foreign Policy - neither candidate has any experience in this arena, so it's a push.

Social issues - one can argue with whether Romney's position on abortion has really changed, but Rudy has blatantly stuck with his. I think Romney wins on gun control as well.

Personally, I don't see how Rudy overcomes Romney. That's not to say that Romney will win, but by my reckoning Rudy could very well be boxed out of this race unless he somehow repositions his campaign.
24 posted on 05/04/2007 4:58:59 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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You nailed it.. Rudy was terrible last night...he looked very uneasy...Hunter and Gilmore, as supposed “2nd tier” candidates” were the big winners..they both were polished, looked presidential,..showed they belonged. McCain look old, tired..


27 posted on 05/04/2007 5:14:06 AM PDT by ken5050
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Rudy is a POS!!!!!


28 posted on 05/04/2007 5:14:50 AM PDT by thepresidentsbestfriend (It used to be said that the only good democrat was a _ _ _ d one. But With Rudy and Arnold ???)
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_.-*”-._.—._.—._.—._.@!

And you know Flipper
Lives in a world full of Wonder
Flying there under
Under the sea

_.-*”-._.—._.—._.—._.@!


31 posted on 05/04/2007 5:19:43 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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I thought it interesting that Chrissy, and many of the candidates, spoke of “repealing” Roe v. Wade. At least Rudy used the “overturn” word, not that it makes me want to vote for him.


33 posted on 05/04/2007 5:20:48 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Vaclav Klaus: "A whip of political correctness strangles their voice")
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"It would be OK also if a strict constructionist viewed it as precedent"

Like Dred Scott?

37 posted on 05/04/2007 5:35:52 AM PDT by AU72
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The candidates always learn that abortion is, and will always be, the issue that separates the men from the boys.

Good little zinger there Liz. Blackbird.

43 posted on 05/04/2007 5:54:24 AM PDT by BlackbirdSST
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So much for Rooty's Big Plan to kick social conservatives off the Repub Party lifeboat; in fact, Rooty is the one who looked seasick, bobbing and weaving on the Reagan Library deck.

He looked seasick on the bridge of the S.S. California, home of RINO Republicans. If he can't be straightforward there, imagine how he'll play in the real South (not those handpicked venues in SC where he's been so far). And Hitlery and Obama and Edwards are increasing their lead over him in NY polling. And even nutcase Bloomberg, his protege, is outpolling him as a mayor and as a potential president in NYC.

Gee, Liz, I'm soooooo surprised that the Rudester didn't win you over. LOL!
49 posted on 05/04/2007 6:04:08 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Election Math For Dummies: GOP รท Rudi = Hillary)
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