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Republican Presidential Candidate Debate #1~ Reagan Library 05/03/07 - Official Discussion Thread

Posted on 05/03/2007 3:19:11 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture

Republican Presidential Candidate Debate #1 – Reagan Library 05/03/07 - Official Discussion Thread



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To: EternalVigilance

Tell the whole story:

Many of the law’s core elements, including the requirement that all people in the state get insurance, were in Romney’s original proposal in 2005. The Democratic legislature added many of its own ideas to the final law, including a $295 fee per employee for businesses who do not offer health insurance to their workers. Romney vetoed that provision but was overridden by the legislature.


2,481 posted on 05/04/2007 12:13:15 AM PDT by flaglady47 (Thinking out loud while grinding teeth in political frustration)
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To: flaglady47
The fault of this bill is that it really isn't "consumer-driven" at all. The resource-wasting reliance on third-party payers and employers remains intact as existing government-insurance programs are expanded. So are insurance subsidies. Perhaps worst of all, the plan relies on threats of "fees" -- that's Mr. Romney's euphemism for giving up existing tax breaks -- in the amount of $295 for employers and $150 for individuals who fail to comply. Companies hapless enough to employ insurance-less "free riders" who run up big hospital bills must pay anywhere between 10 percent and 100 percent of bills over $50,000. These fees -- sure to make people and employers take the law seriously -- will distort the state's economy and do little or nothing to harness market forces.

http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20060405-091810-8649r.htm

2,482 posted on 05/04/2007 12:14:18 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("A [Free] Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: flaglady47

Mitt stuck the socialist camel’s nose firmly under the tent flap. Anyone with a brain knew that the Dems would immediately invite the whole animal in to stay. Pretty high “duh” factor on that one.


2,483 posted on 05/04/2007 12:16:16 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("A [Free] Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: EternalVigilance

By the way:

Romney’s action on health care was pushed by a coalition of liberal groups who were considering a ballot initiative to expand health coverage if the state did not do anything.

Romney decided he would rather have a free market based plan of is own rather than one pushed by libs which indeed would have been socialism.


2,484 posted on 05/04/2007 12:16:34 AM PDT by flaglady47 (Thinking out loud while grinding teeth in political frustration)
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To: flaglady47

Yeah, with Mitt and his supporters, it’s always somebody else’s fault.


2,485 posted on 05/04/2007 12:18:22 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("A [Free] Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: EternalVigilance

“Yeah, with Mitt and his supporters, it’s always somebody else’s fault.”

It was. He was governor of a state that had a Democratic state legislature. You think the state would have been better off with a Dem governor rather than Romney who vetoed many bad Dem ideas? Then I guess you will really like it when Hillary is Prez along with a totally Dem federal legislature. Boy, that sure would be better than having Romney as Prez, wouldn’t it.

Well, fatigue has struck, so off to bed I go, EV. Romney won tonite, you know. Nitey nite.


2,486 posted on 05/04/2007 12:22:50 AM PDT by flaglady47 (Thinking out loud while grinding teeth in political frustration)
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To: flaglady47
Good night.

The real Mitt Romney

2,487 posted on 05/04/2007 12:30:00 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("A [Free] Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: TAdams8591; flaglady47; EternalVigilance

Sad thing is that EV will not put things into perspective.

Mass was in financial trouble Romney had talent to fix that if they could hold on to it!

Which we see now the Liberals would not allow it!

Mass has always be a welfare state but Mitt tried to improve a situation lessening the burden on the tax payer!

In his health care he wanted to wean off of as many as possible the poor poor will always be with us so Medicate would take care of that, but those others who fell through the crack where they could not afford the full cost of their insurance, Mitt made it so they had to pay something according to their ability.

Like the scale they have in City Hospitals where people on plan according to their income.

Some pay $20, 40, 60, 80 a visited according to their yearly income of which plan they fall under!

So for the insurance it was set up similar and required that those who income fell with in those ranges had to buy their health care.

This way much of the pass burden of pay all of their health care was no longer the case of picking up the whole tab.

So the burden was lessen but sadly the over barring liberals have usurp Romney plan and adulterated it!

As far as those other issues about Romney and pro choice etc I understand it so clearly you have to promise not to touch the 3rd rail if you want to get elected.

If one is honest there was no way Romney could changed in those issues if they were in effect before he came, but many voters are ignorant of those things and the buzz factory like EV buzz factroy trys to scare the unenlighten voter.

Romney platform was not on those other issues on pro-choice he want to use his talent to make Mass sovlent!

But the left media and political horse there has other ideas!


2,488 posted on 05/04/2007 12:34:49 AM PDT by restornu (Elevate Your Thoughts!)
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To: restornu
Mitt made it so they had to pay something according to their ability.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need (or needs) is a slogan popularized by Karl Marx in his 1875 Critique of the Gotha Program.

2,489 posted on 05/04/2007 12:41:58 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("A [Free] Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: restornu

Socialism, pure and simple. Here, the link didn’t work:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_each_according_to_his_ability,_to_each_according_to_his_need


2,490 posted on 05/04/2007 12:43:34 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ("A [Free] Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: EternalVigilance

Free Republic’s copyright rules state that all material from the Washington Times must be excerpted. The complete Washington Times article you posted has to be removed.


2,491 posted on 05/04/2007 12:47:34 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Reagan Man
With 60% opposing the war, its not an insignificant phrase, its a meaningless phrase in the big picture.

Which poll is that from? 

2,492 posted on 05/04/2007 12:59:15 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: EternalVigilance

LOL so now you think he is a communitst your are waaaaaaaay oooouuut thereeeeeee EV!:)


2,493 posted on 05/04/2007 1:00:28 AM PDT by restornu (Elevate Your Thoughts!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Did you ever hear of NO FREE LUNCH!


2,494 posted on 05/04/2007 1:01:14 AM PDT by restornu (Elevate Your Thoughts!)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

I did not watch the debate live but saw a replay. I have to say the whole thing sounded like a wound up version of Chrissy’s Hardball. The questions for the most part could have come from DNC central. That said I think most of the candidates performed OK.


2,495 posted on 05/04/2007 1:13:54 AM PDT by gpapa
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To: La Enchiladita
Funny you should mention that, because Romney’s glibness reminds me of Clinton’s.

I was kind of liking Huckabee early in the debate. Then I realized he reminded me of Xlinton. Must be that Arkansas thing.
2,496 posted on 05/04/2007 3:22:01 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Election Math For Dummies: GOP ÷ Rudi = Hillary)
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To: La Enchiladita
You mean Romney’s non pro-life stance, right?

Yep.

2,497 posted on 05/04/2007 3:27:04 AM PDT by Netizen (If we can't locate/deport illegals, how will we get them to come forward to pay their $3,250 fines?)
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To: NittanyLion
McCain came off as certifiable with that statement.

ABC radio played it as a sound bite this morning. (The one about following Bin Laden to the gates of hell)

2,498 posted on 05/04/2007 3:33:17 AM PDT by don-o (We are "THEY")
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To: EternalVigilance
If everybody has to have it, it’s socialized medicine.

So if everybody has to have car insurance (except illegals), then is that "socialized car insurance"?

Mandatory insurance requirements but that isn't the same thing as HillaryCare. Romney also managed to exclude the business mandates that CA is embracing. This is why Romney is a lot more pro-business than The Arnold.

People need to realize that one of the reasons why some industries go for illegals so much is because of health care costs. Requiring health insurance will reduce employer incentives to hire illegals.
2,499 posted on 05/04/2007 3:34:37 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Election Math For Dummies: GOP ÷ Rudi = Hillary)
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To: Right_in_Virginia

Regretfully, everytime Mittens Romney opened his mouth, it was backtracking from an earlier statement from the past, Julie supports the babykilling industry and McCain keeps telling himself, yes there is a Santa Clause........
The other candidates didn’t get as much time as the three mentioned, think the folks at MSNBC are trying to sway pubilc opinion to support the front runners?


2,500 posted on 05/04/2007 3:46:56 AM PDT by Craigswatch (The truth hurts, but you need to know it.)
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