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To: livius

I lived in San Francisco, I saw lots of Chinese. I worked at the UC here for quite a while. Once again, lots and lots of Chinese. They are earning their way and/or keeping a low profile. They are not demanding and receiving the same things as the Hispanic illegals. The Chinese more often take the option of immigrating legally.

And that brings us to the real issue: What is wrong with immigrating LEGALLY...? Hispanic migrants become a problems, a huge problem, by migrating ILLEGALLY in far greater numbers than any other group. You are also not going to see a fraction of illegal Chinese criminals in our prisons as you see illegal Mexicans and Salvadorans. Have you ever heard of MS-13?

It is too bad you see pointing out facts such as these as “hateful.” But you are barring some important distinctions to be made here regarding the MANY problems presented by Hispanic illegals which far outweigh problems presented by illegals from other origins.

However, the next group you mention.... muslims.... are definitely on the increase. At least, from what I see, they are. I have no idea how many of them immigrate illegally but some have infiltrated and raised millions of dollars for terrorist groups.

Mexicans and Central Americans in Los Angeles do not care about becoming U.S. citizens, let alone good ones. They are bringing their countries, lock stock and barrel, here. More and more, I see the insignia of these other nations on clothing, automobiles, advertisements, etcetera. They are writing their own rules for behavior here, and getting away with it. Announcements on public buses and in supermarkets are made in Spanish as well as English. The name badge of the clerk at Longs says “Yo hablo espanol” beneath the name.

We have had biculturalism forced on us by people who have invaded our country, and there is no turning back.... at least for this city.


76 posted on 05/03/2007 8:02:55 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world. Have mercy on us, and grant us Your peace.)
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To: La Enchiladita

Well, I agree - but I don’t think the “biculturalism” was forced on us by the Hispanics, but rather by the left - the teachers unions, for example, and in fact many unions and the Dem party.

When Hispanics began to arrive here in significant numbers, the Dems lumped them in with blacks as a client group. Many Hispanics - while they may not like American blacks - immediately adopted the same attitudes, because a combination of welfare workers and Dem ward heelers were at their doors immediately.

I worked in New York with Puerto Ricans who came here wanting to make it. They all learned English and were all working. Then came the “Great Society.” Immediately, they became a client group.

There will naturally be more Mexicans than Chinese because Mexico is right next door. In addition, when the Chinese come, many of them are kept as virtual slaves by the people who smuggled them here, so you don’t see them as much as you do Mexicans. In New York, I worked in a place where the immigration folks would appear in the streets and all the windows of the sweatshops in the buildings on the other side of the street would and literally hundreds of Chinese would run down the fire escapes and jump onto the sidewalks to get away. LIke Mexicans, they also lived 20 to an apartment and were regularly killed in fires, etc. in these areas.

The biggest difference was probably that the Dems were never able to make the Chinese and the blacks think they had anything in common. In fact, I worked in an industry where there was a joint black-Asian-Hispanic pressure group, and the Asians dropped out. (Then the Hispanics dropped out, but it was too late.) On the other hand, Hispanics got sucked into the Dem victim machine.

So conditions are different. But my point was that if people are opposed to illegal immigration, why is it only Hispanics they are opposed to? Illegal Irish workers (for a while the largest group of illegals in NYC) depressed wages and undermined Americans for years until Ireland picked up and they went home. Illegal Poles are all over the place and have displaced Americans, particularly blacks, in the hotel and restaurant industry.

Hispanics have displaced non-Hispanic Americans in construction, maintenance and low-level hospitality industry workers. But why is that? Because they work, something that some of our native born folks have a problem doing.

So essentially, from that point of view, all illegals are equal, except for the fact that there are more Hispanics than others (because of proximity) and because Hispanics were seized by the left as soon as they set foot over the border. Conservatives just ignored them and let the teachers union get big bucks out of the Federal government for teaching them - Spanish. That wasn’t what they needed and it wasn’t what most of them wanted.

If we want to make a change, we have to (a) make our LOCAL governments stop the stupid welfare laws and other things that encourage illegal immigration (Federal law already prohibits this, so it’s your local city council that is handing out the benefits); and (b) demand a realistic and genuine citizenship plan based on people learning English and making a serious committment to live here and learn about this country. I think there has been progress in the latter area under Bush, but all these programs are very much on the defensive because the Dems hate the US and do not want immigrants to learn about it or become good citizens. Well, not good by my standards, at least.


80 posted on 05/03/2007 8:50:51 PM PDT by livius
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