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More may repeat third grade (Read this. It's our future)
St Pete Times ^ | 05/03/2007 | JEFFREY S. SOLOCHEK

Posted on 05/03/2007 8:10:43 AM PDT by devane617

LAND O'LAKES - About 950 Pasco County third-graders - that's 260 more than a year ago - might have to repeat the grade after failing the FCAT reading exam this spring.

Things look worst for Cox Elementary in Dade City, where fewer than half of the school's 85 third-graders performed at grade level on either the reading or math sections of the test. Last year, more than 60 percent of the school's third-graders were reading at grade level.

Cox is one of nine county schools facing sanctions under the federal No Child Left Behind Act if it does not show overall improvement in student achievement this year.

FCAT results released Wednesday also showed that just 63 high school seniors passed the exit-level reading exam, of 347 who took it, and 63 passed the math section, of 185 who took it. The success rate on reading was up slightly, but still below 20 percent, while the math rate sank a bit to 34 percent.

The remaining FCAT scores are not expected for at least two weeks.

Most of the attention this year goes to the third-grade results because they went down after several years of increases.

State and local officials pointed to a continued upward trend since 2001, calling last year's results a "spike" that did not follow the otherwise smooth line of improvement. In Pasco, for instance, the outcome is better than that of 2005, though below last year's numbers.

This year, 19 percent of Pasco third-graders scored at the lowest level on the reading test. That's worse than the 14 percent of a year ago, but better than the 20 percent of 2005. In math, 14 percent received the lowest mark, improved from 15 percent a year ago and 17 percent in 2005.

"When you look at the scores over a six-year period the trend is moving in a positive direction and it's continuing that way. There was a spike in that trend last year, " superintendent Heather Fiorentino said.

She used Cox as an example. Though the school showed a one-year 17-point swing down in the percentage of children reading at or above grade level, it actually had a slow but steady increase since 2003, when just 35 percent of Cox third-graders were reading at grade level, Fiorentino noted.

That's despite having 95 percent of its students receiving free lunches and 89 percent having limited English abilities.

"We're not saying we don't have more work to do, " she said. "But they have moved up and that's a positive thing."

She and her staff did not buy into what some are calling the "cohort effect." That's where you explain away a year's results by saying the students were exceptional.

"I don't think you can just explain it away by saying ... 1998 was a really great year to be a baby, " said research and evaluation director David Scanga, who figured it would take some time to figure out why last year's third-graders did so well.

Fiorentino liked to look at several positive aspects within the test results. For instance, a majority of Pasco third-graders did better than the national average in reading and math on the Stanford Achievement Test section of the FCAT.

Also, Mary Giella Elementary reduced the percentage of lowest-performing students in reading to 11 percent from 24 percent; and Lacoochee Elementary saw its percentage of Level 1 readers drop to 9 percent, from 19 percent, while it increased the percentage of students at grade level or higher in math to 73 percent.

Pine View, Sand Pine, Longleaf and Trinity Oaks elementary schools continued to have success, with more than 80 percent of their students reading at or above grade level. Longleaf had just 1 percent of students at Level 1 in math, with 91 percent at grade level or above.

The state releases much less information about the senior retakes. No school by school results, for instance. Still, Pasco officials were heartened by the general improvement of the district passing rate, noting that those few who continue to take the FCAT as seniors are "our most struggling students" yet they have not dropped out.

Scanga added that a preliminary look at 11th-grade repeaters shows improvement in the passing rate, too. Most important, assistant superintendent Sandra Ramos said, is that Pasco sophomores succeed on the exit-level exam, which is first given in 10th grade.

"We want 10th-graders passing on the first time, " Ramos said.


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KEYWORDS: education; fcat; fl; florida; publicschools; schools; thankyounea
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To: Don Corleone
But they know what a condom is and what a lesbian is.....

And that "never the twain shall meet"! ;-P

41 posted on 05/03/2007 9:12:03 AM PDT by MortMan (Good health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die.)
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To: upchuck

Their ultimate goal is to have the populace dumb enough that it will vote only for socialist candidates.
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MARXIST candidates!

It is Marxism that is the nuclear fuel rod driving the NEA, the Democratic Party, those teaching in our colleges and universities, and dominating our main stream media.

Call them what they are: Marxists and useful idiots.


42 posted on 05/03/2007 9:14:07 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: bert
The results of all them years of the 'new math', as you said.

Simply ignore certain facts within the data so one's feelings can be stroked. Numbers don't lie, people do.

43 posted on 05/03/2007 9:18:59 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: devane617; All

Maybe if the teachers and the parents would help them read the articles and posts on FR, those kids would leap ahead of their peers across the state? Well, at least they’d grow up being smarter than the average Dims.


46 posted on 05/03/2007 9:22:41 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: kabar

Once you start investigating an issue, more often than not, you see a link to immigration as one of the root causes of problems.

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The root of the problem is Marxism. Marxist are using government schools to raise up generations of useful idiots.

Illegal immigrants are welcomed into government schools because they will eventually add to the number of useful idiots who will vote for Marxists ( oops! “Democrats”)

I thoroughly and completely support your opposition to illegal immigration, but don’t confuse the means for the end. The goal of the Marxist is destruction of our nation. Illegal immigrants are only one of main ways ( means) of accomplishing their end goal.


47 posted on 05/03/2007 9:23:08 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: Graybeard58; shag377
The public school system may have played a part in this failure but the primary responsibility for it shoud be placed firmly on the parents, or lack thereof.

Amen!

48 posted on 05/03/2007 9:23:40 AM PDT by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: AntiFed
no concept of developmental psychology and no way/desire to relate to the children on a personal level.

I always thought the teachers' job was to teach and the parents job is to make their kids feel valued. Not sure why you think the teachers should relate to kids here...

49 posted on 05/03/2007 9:25:18 AM PDT by John123 (Bill barely mentions Hillary in his memoirs... I will now light myself on fire)
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To: AntiFed
ut I know I wouldn’t have the patience around kids to be a good teacher like her.. Its depressing how most of the teachers there treat the children, like they are some sort of burden to be kept in line.

A lady who kept telling everyone over and over that she was a teacher kept telling me how she had no plans on having children and neither did many of her colleagues. She spoke about how many people should never have children (in very vulgar terms). She did not have one positive thing to say about children. I really had to bit my tongue to say, "You've made me glad that I homeschool. I don't want the chance that my children might end up with a teacher like you."

There are good teachers, but finding them seems like a crap shoot.

50 posted on 05/03/2007 9:25:51 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: ryan71
My third grade daughter’s F-CAT results were excellent!
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She will grow up to be a literate numerate Marxist.

Good luck deprogramming her every night.

51 posted on 05/03/2007 9:25:57 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: Redleg Duke
"was that they weren't afraid to categorize/group"

Ditto for the 10 years prior to that ....AND, even for my kids, 70s, 80s there was still some 'grouping' going on....also no one ever came home and said " I am somebody" at our home...they brought the report cards home and all was fine... One aircraft mechanic (wanna be pilot), one intl analyst and lastly one math PhD investment banker type....It WILL rise! I am blessed beyond what I deserve and am Thankful to our Lord......

52 posted on 05/03/2007 9:27:00 AM PDT by litehaus (A memory tooooo long)
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To: Graybeard58
I swear, I’m not making this up. She said, “I teaches English”.

That is almost unpossible to believe. Seriesly.

53 posted on 05/03/2007 9:27:18 AM PDT by Triggerhippie (Always use a silencer in a crowd. Loud noises offend people.)
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To: VeniVidiVici
Of course their "solution" will be to teach the kids in Spanish. And will we bill their home countries for this benefit. Of course not. And our own kids will continue to suffer because of it.

Our kids will suffer because we teach to other kids in Spanish? Doesn't make much sense to me here.

54 posted on 05/03/2007 9:28:26 AM PDT by John123 (Bill barely mentions Hillary in his memoirs... I will now light myself on fire)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Well, what did you really expect? Something has to give way for teaching the subjects of homosexuality, liberalism, communism, socialism, Marxism, political correctness, gansta rap, video games, Hollyweird lifestyles, credit card abuse and porn.


55 posted on 05/03/2007 9:29:04 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: devane617
My daughter never went to high school, she just refused (long story). However, her reading skills were excellent and now she's 42-years old, and an RN in administration making almost six figures. Shows how important the government schools are in the larger scheme of things.

carolyn

56 posted on 05/03/2007 9:30:15 AM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: Aquinasfan
I can’t find the quote by John Taylor Gatto, but he said that, if you know what you’re doing, it takes about 30 hours to teach a kid to read.
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That’s about how long it took me to teach each of my 3 homeschoolers. I used an inexpensive phonics based curriculum.

57 posted on 05/03/2007 9:31:24 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: Don Corleone
"But they know what a condom is and what a lesbian is....."

..and "global warming", non-historical "history", and the more popular "personalities",

well, you got me started, now, didn't you?

Meanwhile giving short shrift to literature, composition, and mathematics.

58 posted on 05/03/2007 9:31:46 AM PDT by Designer II
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To: Triggerhippie
Many 'teachers' in today's public schools are running around with hughely stuned beebers and we can't criticize the illiterate for being illiterate neither.

That makes I's racist. Don't axe me why too.

59 posted on 05/03/2007 9:35:17 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: kabar
It sounds like the county is being overrun by immigrants.

Uh... careful here. You could be misinterpreted as a bigot. I am pretty sure native Americans consider all of us "immigrants."

60 posted on 05/03/2007 9:36:41 AM PDT by John123 (Bill barely mentions Hillary in his memoirs... I will now light myself on fire)
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