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Britain Gets Over-Surveillance Warning
The Post Chronicle ^ | 4/29/07

Posted on 04/29/2007 10:33:14 AM PDT by traviskicks

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To: jjw

It’s not all for the children?


61 posted on 04/29/2007 12:59:02 PM PDT by James W. Fannin
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To: MNJohnnie
Utter valuelessness. Utterly stupid to think that having a police man on patrol is just FINE but having a public camera posted (and the area clearly marked as being patrolled by a camera) is some how a threat to civil liberties. I just came back from England and this program is utterly NO threat to “Civil Liberties”

The cameras would be equivalent to having policemen on every corner who took complete notes of every person's comings and goings. No mere policeman would be able to do that, of course, but camera recordings may be checked retroactively to log the travels of any desired person, thus effectively tracking everyone.

62 posted on 04/29/2007 3:42:31 PM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: MNJohnnie
The town I live in has declared the first 4-8 ft. from the curb a public thoroughfare, (otherwise known as a sidewalk).

While I am responsible for its upkeep and pay taxes on it, it is arguably "public property" and under your scenario perfectly okay to surveil with a camera. Of course, the camera will not stop looking there, regardless of the fact that that 8 feet from the curb constitutes 25% of my front yard. Not just mine but every house in town.

Bad enough that in small towns every block has its gossip, but to have someone looking over my shoulder or monitoring who comes and goes and when in front of my house leaves me open to all sorts of marauders, official and otherwise.

Having the wrong person monitor the feed would give them ample opportunity to study my home security measures and attempt to plan their defeat--and do so for anyone in town.

Consider, also, that there are those who want to pass laws which would fine me $1000.00 and imprison me for a year for each firearm I own, and others who would declare me unfit otherwise to own them for being mentally unfit by your definition of "paranoid".

The absence of rampant criminality would soon mean a focus on petty infractions to justify (and in combination with face recognition software, to generate) the funding needed to manitain such a system, (especially in a climate where the variation between high summer temp and low winter temp is roughly 150 degrees) even without rampant vandalism, which frankly, I predict.

Apparently, the professional lunatics are attempting to run the asylum.

There is a great deal of difference between having a police officer on patrol (who, once in a great while might actually be where you need them) and living under the gaze of the glass eye of a paranoid government.

What an ideal job for a voyeur, stalker or blackmailer, though.

Especially in a day and age in which virtually anything can be digitally enhanced into or removed from the picture.

Suddenly self-defense becomes cold-blooded murder as the weapon is digitally removed from an attacker's hand--or murder becomes self-defense.

Were the government NOT paranoid, it would not need to continually watch people, nor would it seek to disarm them.

63 posted on 04/29/2007 4:35:47 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: MNJohnnie
All the Camera does is allow the patrol van to monitor a greater spread of ground and respond quickly to criminal behavior.

Please define "criminal behavior".

Is that a Twinkie you have in your hand, Citizen?

64 posted on 04/29/2007 4:46:37 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: James W. Fannin

Here we all are asleep at the wheel looking outward at Britian and France and the cancer that has taken hold and it’s happening here PEOPLE! We are being consumed by this caner with the help of our politicians we have elected to serve us! TIME TO MAKE A CHANGE IN 2008. LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO CONGRESS WHEN YOU SAT HOME ON ELECTION DAY! DON’T LET IT HAPPEN IN THE WHITEHOUSE! Put your differences aside and look at the bigger picture, If we allow this to go on without a leader that has the balls to make the changes needed we are not going to recognize this country in a few short years.


65 posted on 04/29/2007 4:56:34 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (ID RATHER BE HUNTING WITH DICK THAN DRIVING WITH TED)
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To: ronnie raygun

I agree, sir.


66 posted on 04/29/2007 6:24:54 PM PDT by James W. Fannin
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To: Juliusz

“Adn they love to leave their lives entirely under government jurisdiction-politicians decide practically about every aspect of their life without any problems or responsibility.”

Hmmm... Have to disagree with you there. Yes, the surveillance camaras are a serious concern, but we’re still free of ID cards (although the left are determined to see an end to that), so it’s a bit of a “swings and roundabouts” situation.

Personally, I think the entire western world is under threat, but hopefully the English speaking nations have enough sense to sort it out before it’s too late.


67 posted on 04/30/2007 4:19:54 PM PDT by maggies girl
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