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Thompson To-Dos - Candidacy considerations.
National Review ^ | Ramesh Ponnuru

Posted on 04/27/2007 5:44:08 AM PDT by areafiftyone

First off, rent some movies. Watch Journeys with George and The War Room to get a reminder of how intense, grueling, and intrusive presidential campaigns are. And if anyone advises you that you can run “a different kind of campaign” that is less demanding, be very skeptical. And while you have seen negative ads against you, of course, in a presidential campaign they will reach an entirely new level.

Second, announce your decision soon. A Republican strategist went through the calendar with me. Many states are holding their primaries on Feb. 5. In those that allow mail-in votes for the previous month, voting will start on Jan. 5. That means you will need more than enough signatures to file by around Thanksgiving. And that, in turn, means that you need to have an organization and money in place “well before Labor Day.” August is mostly lost time, notes this strategist, so you need to “be up and running by Memorial Day at the latest.” Plus, people might get tired of waiting for you to commit.

Third, acknowledge that you’ve gotten more pro-life over time. Twice in recent weeks, you have expressed perplexity that anyone thinks you were once pro-choice. Stephen Hayes quoted you in The Weekly Standard:

“I have read these accounts and tried to think back 13 years ago as to what may have given rise to them. Although I don’t remember it, I must have said something to someone as I was getting my campaign started that led to a story. Apparently, another story was based upon that story, and then another was based upon that, concluding I was pro-choice.”

But, he adds: “I was interviewed and rated pro-life by the National Right to Life folks in 1994, and I had a 100 percent voting record on abortion issues while in the Senate.”

Your record in the mid-1990s was a bit less solidly pro-life than that. A 1994 issue of Republican Liberty apparently quotes you opposing public financing of abortion but adding: “The ultimate decision must be made by the woman. Government should treat its citizens as adults capable of making moral decisions on their own.” That same year, in which you ran for the Senate (and won), you said something similar in a debate: There should be no federal funding, and states should be allowed to enact parental notification and other “reasonable controls,” but government should not “come in and criminalize, let’s say, a young girl and her parents and her doctor as aiders and abettors that would be involved.”

News accounts treated you as pro-choice, and there is no record of your campaign’s trying to dispute that characterization. The National Right to Life Committee did indeed endorse you in that race, and their post-election newsletter listed you among the victorious “pro-life candidates” that year. But that newsletter also grouped you with candidates who were opposed to the Freedom of Choice Act and federal funding of abortion, rather than with candidates who were pro-life across the board.

In 1997, finally, your office sent a constituent a letter about abortion that included this line: “I believe that government should not interfere with individual convictions and actions in this area.”

I think the record suggests that you were always uncomfortable with abortion and prepared to support some restrictions on it, but that your opposition deepened over the course of your time in public life. The whole country’s discomfort with abortion seems to have deepened over that time, too. (In part, that was a result of the partial-birth abortion debate in which you were involved.) If that is what happened, I don’t think pro-lifers will hold it against you to say so. Those pro-lifers who worry about the sincerity of Mitt Romney’s conversion do so because he seemed ardently pro-choice not long ago. As you said, you have a strong record of voting with pro-lifers that goes back to 1995.

Fourth, bone up on stem cells. You’ve managed to avoid taking a detailed position on the issue. And it’s not a top-tier issue. But the issue can get pretty complicated, and you’ll buy yourself trouble if your first remarks on the question have to be modified or elaborated later. I hope that you’ll agree with the president’s position on the issue: against human cloning, and against federal funding for research that involves the destruction of human embryos. If that is your position, it will be advantageous in the primaries, putting you to the right of John McCain and (one assumes) Rudy Giuliani while leaving Mitt Romney no room to your right. And it won’t hurt you in the general election. Very few people vote for candidates based on their position on stem cells, and the pro-life position can be explained in a way that sounds reasonable to most voters within Republican reach, even if they do not themselves share that position.

I would suggest saying something like the following: “I strongly support stem-cell research, including federal funding for stem-cell research. Adult stem-cell research has already led to benefits for some patients. Additional exciting research is being done on stem cells taken from umbilical cord blood and amniotic fluid, and a few researchers are looking at cutting-edge methods of stem-cell research that were hardly imaginable a few years ago. All of us, however, want this research to proceed with ethical guidelines. My own view is that those lines should be drawn in a way that protects human life in all its stages. Human embryos should not be created for research, and taxpayer money should not be spent on destroying them for research either.”

Fifth, don’t feel pressured to flip-flop on campaign-finance reform. You supported it. So did all the top-tier candidates: McCain, Giuliani, and Romney. More recently, you have said that it might be wiser to remove the limits on contributions and just have full disclosure. This isn’t as contradictory as it may sound to some people, since you were for raising the contribution limits all the way through the process. (And McCain-Feingold did indeed raise them.) I think the line-up of candidates give you more or less complete freedom to say whatever you want to say on this topic. While I myself favor the libertarian line on it, you shouldn’t feel any need to reverse yourself in some dramatic way to win conservatives’ favor.

Sixth, don’t (just) run on a conventional conservative platform. Right now, a big chunk of your appeal to the Right — aside from your celebrity and sober, no-nonsense manner — is that you have been more consistently conservative than McCain, Giuliani, or Romney. I don’t think that means you would be a weaker general-election candidate than them: Neither McCain’s heterodoxies nor Giuliani’s seem likely to win over independent voters, as Ross Douthat has pointed out, and Romney’s record of flip-flops won’t either.

But a lot of conservatives have been telling themselves that Republicans lost the election because they were insufficiently committed to conservative orthodoxy: that if they had just eschewed pork and prescription-drug benefits, the voters would have been kinder to them. It is a comforting theory with almost no basis in fact.

Running on a strictly conservative platform has not won Republicans the presidency since at least 1988. Since that campaign was heavy on flag-waving, it might be more accurate to say “since 1980.” Even in 1980, moreover, Reagan made some innovations to conservatism: adding supply-side tax cuts to the mix, and backing away from opposition to entitlement programs. More to the point, Reagan succeeded not because his platform conformed to a philosophy, but because it applied that philosophy, creatively, to the problems of the day. If you end up being a successful candidate, you’ll have done that too.

But as with most of this advice, I suspect you already know that.


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To: kevkrom

I would’ve called it a smackdown, but a good dialog.


21 posted on 04/27/2007 7:17:45 AM PDT by Harrius Magnus (Pucker up Mo, and your dhimmi Leftist freaks, here comes your Jizya!)
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To: areafiftyone; carlo3b; girlangler; KoRn; Shortstop7; Lunatic Fringe; Darnright; babygene; ...
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22 posted on 04/27/2007 7:22:55 AM PDT by jellybean (FRED THOMPSON FOR PRESIDENT! Proud to be an Ann-droid and a Steyn-aholic)
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To: Harrius Magnus
I would’ve called it a smackdown, but a good dialog.

It was a good dialog, but Ponnuru was left grasping at defending federal legislative branch intervention on matters best left to state and local jurisdiction, and if the feds should be involved at all, it would be via the administrative branch (Dept. of Justice) not the U.S. Senate.

Ponnuru may be a bright guy, but Thompson argued circles around him.

23 posted on 04/27/2007 7:27:39 AM PDT by kevkrom
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To: areafiftyone

Looks like Ramesh “Black Knight” Ponnuru is back for more. He must think the pounding he took from Fred over his last essay is just a scratch.


24 posted on 04/27/2007 7:30:53 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: areafiftyone
But a lot of conservatives have been telling themselves that Republicans lost the election because they were insufficiently committed to conservative orthodoxy: that if they had just eschewed pork and prescription-drug benefits, the voters would have been kinder to them. It is a comforting theory with almost no basis in fact.

Yeah, sure, Ramesh. Bush I lost in 1992 when he drifted leftward. The GOP lost in 2006 when it finally drifted too far leftward.

But don't let those two incidents fool you.

25 posted on 04/27/2007 7:33:12 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: dirtboy

He was a Romney person. I wonder if he is still in the Romney camp baiting FT or he is seriously thinking of supporting him.


26 posted on 04/27/2007 7:36:55 AM PDT by areafiftyone (.....We mourn and hurt and will never forget, but we don't live under fear.... Rudy Giuliani)
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To: areafiftyone
He was a Romney person. I wonder if he is still in the Romney camp baiting FT or he is seriously thinking of supporting him.

Fred took him to the woodshed. I think this is Ramesh simply trying to save some face.

27 posted on 04/27/2007 7:40:18 AM PDT by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08/But Fred would also be great)
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To: piceapungens
I don’t trust Thompson on the immigration issue. It seems to me we will get more of the “comprehensive reform” nonsense from him.

Southern Exposure (Fred Thompson Commentary, 20 Mar 2007)

For your consideration.
28 posted on 04/27/2007 7:43:04 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country. Thompson/Franks '08)
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To: areafiftyone
I would like to know A) How many campaigns Ramesh has been apart of B) How many has he won by double digit margins?
Until then I think Fred can figure this stuff out on his own. Of course this does give Fred a forum to respond to all of these issues and get them on record so we may be thanking ol’ Ramesh after all is said and done.
29 posted on 04/27/2007 7:43:25 AM PDT by pangaea6
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To: dirtboy

That could be it. You could be right about that.


30 posted on 04/27/2007 7:43:43 AM PDT by areafiftyone (.....We mourn and hurt and will never forget, but we don't live under fear.... Rudy Giuliani)
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To: areafiftyone
If that is your position, it will be advantageous in the primaries, putting you to the right of John McCain and (one assumes) Rudy Giuliani while leaving Mitt Romney no room to your right...

I would suggest saying something like the following: “I strongly support stem-cell research, including federal funding for stem-cell research. Adult stem-cell research has already led to benefits for some patients....


I would suggest Fred say something like what he believes, and not attempt to play "Pin the Tail on the Political Spectrum".

Crafting statements in order to triangulate positions just doesn't seem like Fred's style.
31 posted on 04/27/2007 7:51:08 AM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country. Thompson/Franks '08)
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To: HunterFan; piceapungens

HunterFan, you are lying and it is unbecoming.

piceapungens, you can watch Fred at the link below. The video is actually in two parts and you’ll find a link to the second part on the right hand side of the page.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Snw7_6mJf5c

When you’re done watching, maybe you can ask HunterFan why he deliberately is trying to mislead people about what Fred has said. I’m betting we won’t get an answer.


33 posted on 04/27/2007 9:35:16 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm
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To: The Pack Knight
Southern Exposure (Fred Thompson Commentary, 20 Mar 2007)
34 posted on 04/27/2007 9:40:17 AM PDT by RonDog
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To: dirtboy
"I think this is Ramesh simply trying to save some face."

That and he's prolly fishing for a job! LOL

Objectively, I think he made some good points, and I think he's correct in assuming that Fred is already aware of them.

Fred's gonna have, imo, the most unique and successful campaign ever.

It will sneak up on us, and then...wham! People will look back on it as a new paradigm in political campaigns. Poly. Sci. majors will study it, the media will snicker at it, little children will giggle at it's mention, and the defeated will loathe it.

What most fail to realize is...it has already begun.

:O)

P
Run, FRED, run, and bring J.C. Watts with ya!

35 posted on 04/27/2007 9:53:10 AM PDT by papasmurf (FRed is like genuine leather. Rudy is genuine imitation naugahyde.)
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To: areafiftyone
“Sixth, don’t (just) run on a conventional conservative platform.

...

Running on a strictly conservative platform has not won Republicans the presidency since at least 1988. Since that campaign was heavy on flag-waving, it might be more accurate to say “since 1980.” Even in 1980, moreover, Reagan made some innovations to conservatism: adding supply-side tax cuts to the mix, and backing away from opposition to entitlement programs.”




He seems to forget the 1994 campaign and is trying to sell Fred on big government conservatism. I hope Fred is not buying.

36 posted on 04/27/2007 9:57:07 AM PDT by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: HunterFan
There is no doubt in my mind, whatsoever, that Hunter is a good guy and a solid conservative. He would be my choice if Fred weren't running. I would, most surely, support him as VP, if that's something he would/could agree to.

Until or unless Fred declines, I'm in Fred's corner, 100%.

:O)

P
Run, FRED, run, and bring J.C. Watts with ya!

38 posted on 04/27/2007 10:47:56 AM PDT by papasmurf (FRed is like genuine leather. Rudy is genuine imitation naugahyde.)
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To: HunterFan; piceapungens

I’m not the one spinning here, bub, you are.

Your exact quote above was this:

“The answer is more along the lines of path to citizenship for illegals or something similar. I forget the exact words he used.”

When did he say that and what exactly WERE those exact words that you so conveniently can’t remember?

I’ll admit that Fred’s record in the senate is not a hardline anti-immigration record. That does not in any way mean that he is for the ‘comprehensive’ crap that Bush wants, nor does it mean that he is against securing the border.

In fact, on that interview with Wallace, he was able to articulate why many of us feel the way we do, even specifically mentioning the 1986 amnesty as a source of conservative mistrust. I don’t hear any of the other major candidates saying anything like that.


39 posted on 04/27/2007 10:49:52 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (http://www.fredrepublic.com/focus/browse)
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To: HunterFan

Most of the “negatives” from the “better immigration” site are in regard to legal immigration, not illegal immigration. Whether particular types or amounts of visas are good or bad is highly subjective — whether a particular person is an illegal immigrant or not is not subjective.


40 posted on 04/27/2007 10:52:26 AM PDT by kevkrom
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