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Christians in bull's-eye in new 'hate crimes' plan [Urgent we block Giuliani and gay agenda!]
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | April 26, 2007 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 04/26/2007 1:34:30 AM PDT by Man50D

Edited on 04/26/2007 2:08:18 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

A fast-tracked congressional plan to add special protections for homosexuals to federal law would turn "thoughts, feelings, and beliefs" into criminal offenses and put Christians in the bull's-eye, according to opponents.

"H.R. 1592 is a discriminatory measure that criminalizes thoughts, feelings, and beliefs [and] has the potential of interfering with religious liberty and freedom of speech," according to a white paper submitted by Glen Lavy, of the Alliance Defense Fund.

As James Jacobs and Kimberly Potter observed in Hate Crimes, Criminal Law, and Identity Politics, 'It would appear that the only additional purpose [for enhancing punishment of bias crimes] is to provide extra punishment based on the offender's politically incorrect opinions and viewpoints,'" said Lavy.

The proposal has been endorsed by majority Democrats on the committee, and already has 137 sponsors in the full House, making it possible it could be voted on in a matter of days or weeks.

"This is a terrible thing, to criminalize thought or emotion or even speech," Lavy told WND, referring to H.R. 1592, now pending at the committee level in the U.S. House. Democrats there have been turning back amendments that would strip it of its worst provisions, according to an observer.

Bishop Harry Jackson, chairman of the High Impact Leadership Coalition, said the plan, the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Protection Act of 2007, is no more than "a surreptitious attempt by some in Congress to strip the nation of religious freedom and the ability to preach the gospel from our church pulpits."

"It will stamp all over our doctrine and practice of our faith," he said. "We believe what the Bible says. If you start there we've got a major problem."

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To: Man50D
A fast-tracked congressional plan to add special protections for homosexuals to federal law would turn "thoughts, feelings, and beliefs" into criminal offenses and put Christians in the bull's-eye, according to opponents.

First Amendment should crush this as unconstitutional.

81 posted on 04/26/2007 7:53:29 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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To: Man50D
This only involes injury with a firearm, explosive ect, that was motovated by the victims race, religion, sex orientation ect... It only applies when State las fails to cover such action, or the State requests fed action.

What's the problem?

82 posted on 04/26/2007 7:54:46 AM PDT by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: Jim Robinson
It’s an obvious violation of the first amendment!!

But Jim, that's never stopped them from trying before.

83 posted on 04/26/2007 8:01:52 AM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: spunkets
Really a non-event, though it's an unnecessary law.

Had Conyers had any sense, he'd have portrayed it as anti-terror legislation. Of course he might not want to offend a particular religion which does advocate religious, sex orientation, and race based violence overseas, just in case they want to bring those practices to our shores.

84 posted on 04/26/2007 8:03:14 AM PDT by SJackson (restoring the Jews to their homeland is a noble dream shared by many Americans, A. Lincoln)
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To: Man50D

bump


85 posted on 04/26/2007 8:08:48 AM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or off.)
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To: Man50D
"The incidence of violence motivated by the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability of the victim poses a serious national problem."

Odd that sexual beliefs and the gender of clothes you CHOOSE to wear would be protected but political beliefs would not be protected by this legislation.

Man Makes Threats at Republican Headquarters (04/25/2007)

The director of the local Republican Party Headquarters says a man shoved a gun in his face.

Zach Moyle says the guy threatened his life and his staff if President Bush didn't meet his demands.

Police arrested 31 year old Matthew Kramer. Moyle says Kramer showed interest in joining the party then had Moyle walk out to his car with him and showed him guns and put a shotgun in his face.

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Zach Moyle says the guy threatened his life and his staff if President Bush didn't meet his demands.

Police arrested 31 year old Matthew Kramer. Moyle says Kramer showed interest in joining the party then had Moyle walk out to his car with him and showed him guns and put a shotgun in his face.

He is charged with criminal syndicalism, assault with a deadly weapon and aiming a firearm at a person, police Officer Martin Wright said.

The charge of syndicalism may fall through since there is little expectation that this GOP official would have any genuine political sway with George W. Bush to get him to reconsider "vetoing" the troop withdrawl bill. But it is clear that this bigot targeted a Republican because of his extreme hatred of Republican politics.

86 posted on 04/26/2007 8:27:57 AM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: scripter

Thanks for the ping, scripter!


87 posted on 04/26/2007 8:28:19 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Only those who thirst for truth can know truth.)
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To: Man50D

I’m sorry - I read the details of the bill, and I don’t see where this bill threatens freedom of speech or religious view. The bill outlines the penalties of committing physical violence with intent to harm or kill against someone for the reason of race, gender, religion, etc. It doesn’t police anyone’s thoughts or speech.


88 posted on 04/26/2007 8:31:25 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: gondramB
If a person can proclaim their own "perceived" gender identity then they should also be able to proclaim their own "perceived" racial identity.

No more bashing these "homies".


89 posted on 04/26/2007 8:32:14 AM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: DBrow
There is no intent to monitor thought.
Oh, but yes there is.
It is only enforceable (most of the time), after an act of violence, or (with this law - read the text) if you interfere with their business interest (protest), of financial interest.
However, lets say that my pastor teaches from Gods word about Homosexuality being a sin and some time later a parishioner goes nuts and kills a homosexual.
Take, for example, the nut that blew up the abortion clinics and killed the abortionists. Under this law (see Post#54) he could be charged with the hate crime.

Try this one on for size: The Deadly Ham Sandwich

Lets say I teach my children Gods word and they end up killing a mugger who happened to be homosexual?

So called "Hate Crimes" in general are a tool of the thought police - period.
It matters not WHY someone commits a crime, it should not be any worse of a punishment if it is committed against a protected class of citizen than it would be if it was committed against me.
If someone instigates the crime we already have conspiracy charges in the current law to prevent that.
90 posted on 04/26/2007 8:34:13 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: Centurion2000

This bill - as it is presented - is not unconstitutional. What other law it SPAWNS may be. But this law, if you read the text, only applies to criminal, physical violence, not thoughts or speech or creed.


91 posted on 04/26/2007 8:34:52 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: WVNan
If the reference to homosexuality is sanitized by referring to it as sexual immorality or some beneign term such as that, then in a generation or two the Bible will have nothing to say about the subject. Easy.

The ultimate goal of the Sex Positive Agenda (led by Kinsey, Reich, and feminists) is an end to all moral judgements over sexual pairings regardless of sex, age, relation, marital status, number, or species of partner(s). This is the goal, the Homosexual Agenda is just the battering ram to society's laws and social mores.

92 posted on 04/26/2007 8:35:27 AM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: Man50D

Where in this article does it say that Guiliani has anything to do with it?


93 posted on 04/26/2007 8:36:02 AM PDT by GoforBroke
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To: Fitzcarraldo
Probably start by expunging certain parts of the Bible.

Let them heed this.

Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish from it, that ye may keep the commandments of Jehovah your God which I command you.

Before they expunge this. Leviticus--18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

They'll have a fight on their hands if they try this. The majority in this country are religious.

94 posted on 04/26/2007 8:40:11 AM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: GrandEagle
Lets say I teach my children Gods word and they end up killing a mugger who happened to be homosexual?

Come on. If they commit an act in self defense, this law does not apply. You know better. Furthermore, there would have to be some sort of evidence that they sought to be mugged by a homosexual so they could kill him. This is a typical crap article from WND. When someone introduces legislation that legitimately prohibits speech, creed, thoughts, what have you, we can get hysterical. This is not the bill to go crazy over. It makes us look illiterate.

95 posted on 04/26/2007 8:40:18 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: GoforBroke

note the headline your post is tied to

Christians in bull’s-eye in new ‘hate crimes’ plan [Urgent we block Giuliani and gay agenda!]
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | April 26, 2007 | Bob Unruh


96 posted on 04/26/2007 8:41:54 AM PDT by fredalan
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To: snowsislander

I hope that everyone who either voted for or gloated over the Democrat victory in 2006 will think very hard about the consequences of the far left wing running both houses of Congress.

I hardly think anybody knows about this potential legislation. World Net Daily is not a common website of most Americans. FREEPERS has a pretty large amount of people but not the majority of America...yet.


97 posted on 04/26/2007 8:46:27 AM PDT by napscoordinator (.)
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To: Rutles4Ever
If they commit an act in self defense, this law does not apply. You know better.
Oh, but no I don't.
When the PC crowd gets involved, the victim will end up having to prove he was being mugged, which unless thered are witnesses, it is impossable.
The enforcement of the "law" in such a manor may have nothing to do with the PC crowd. D.A.'s are notorious for caring less about the facts, they need convictions so they can get re-elected.
I just don't see any reason to enact a useless law to create a crime for something that is already a crime, but I do see great potential for it's abuse - as in the "ham sandwich" incident. Happens all the time.
98 posted on 04/26/2007 8:49:21 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle
Section 7, B, iv is what I think you are referring to, and that section refers back to A, which covers violent acts.

This law as written only covers violent acts or attempted violent acts. It does not cover interference with economic or business actions unless a violent act is the disruption.

This act is bad and should be defeated because it sets a precedent of defining certain acts as hate crimes, but in itself it only refers to violence against people when that violence is caused by or motivated by evil thoughts.

99 posted on 04/26/2007 8:51:15 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath

That’s what they said amout McBain Feinhole.


100 posted on 04/26/2007 8:52:51 AM PDT by NavVet (O)
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