Posted on 04/26/2007 1:26:07 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
It's absolutely crucial to the conservative pro life movement to block the pro choice, pro gay agenda Rudy Giuliani from obtaining the GOP nomination. It would kill the movement and ultimately destroy the credibility of the GOP.
Excerpts from the American Spectator:
The Real DealDon't be fooled. Don't betray your principles or the cause due to fear of Hillary and the moonbats. Would Ronald Reagan cower in fear and betray his principles?4/19/2007
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"Despite the calls to leave litmus tests behind, pro-life Rudy reluctance is justified. If nominated, Giuliani would be the most pro-choice Republican presidential candidate in history. Even Gerald Ford, an archetypal Republican for choice, backed a constitutional amendment overturning Roe v. Wade during the 1976 campaign. Barry Goldwater, who was nominated before abortion became a national issue and outspokenly pro-choice in retirement, backed the human life amendment in his final Senate race."
"Giuliani has feted NARAL and Planned Parenthood. He has praised Margaret Sanger and repeatedly accused mainstream pro-lifers of wanting to put pregnant women in jail. His concessions to date have been minor and offered without enthusiasm."
"Abortion opponents can ill afford to give up their leverage in the GOP. Their position has little support among the cultural elite; many in the Republican establishment would like nothing better than to “get beyond issues like that.” If pro-lifers support Giuliani because he “hates” abortion, it will be difficult for them to criticize “personally opposed” Democrats like John Kerry in the future. Their campaign to get bishops to withhold communion from pro-choice Catholic Democrats will seem partisan and hypocritical. And the whole movement may be seen as less serious and less influential."
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Keep the faith!!
(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...
And that! is the truth, plain and simple.
What was Hunter’s stand on the Schaivo case?
Seldom has so much nonsense been packed into three short sentences.
First of all, the Rockefeller Republican condescension drips from your post. Precious guns? I know you self-proclaimed Republican elites prefer to look down your nose at gun-totin' red-state rubes. However, red state rubes are the ones who put Bush in the White House. Twice. Since you live in gun-control nirvana, I can see why you can belittle gun-rights activists. You apparently don't care enough about gun rights to live in a state where you have any.
And second, President Rudy might not force daughters to have an abortion. But he'd pay for his grandaughter to have one. And use tax dollars to create a right for any woman to have an abortion, even if she can't pay for it. Such a man is completely unfit to lead the pro-life political party.
And third, I guess you've deliberately missed all the posts about Rudy's anti-gun and gun-grabbing past. But again, I guess us red-state rubes are just too unsophisticated to put Rudy's past actions aside and uncritically accept what he is telling us now that he needs our votes. Silly rubes...
Wait a minute. Rudy’s understanding of the nations predicament came too late. While I blame the terrorists who flew those planes into the WTC, Rudy was not exactly pro-active regarding terrorism until after the fact. He put the emergency command center and fuel in the WTC after it had already been targeted. He made NYC a SANCTUARY CITY for illegals, therefore, LEO were prohibited from questioning anyones legality. Think about it, what a great city to live in if you aren’t supposed to be here. It has also been brought up that the radio systems the firemen were using were not up to par, imagine that in a city that size.
I am not ashamed to say that I am supporting Duncan Hunter, I can back up the fact that he is well aware of our countries predicament and has been fighting for years for the military. His voting record proves it, the fact that he served in the military and has a son that is currently serving in Iraq, he knows the cost of war. He certainly has the expertise to handle our predicament. The United States Military is not the same as the NYPD and FDNY.
Rudy is pro abortion and pro gun control. Those are the two major reasons why the media is pushing him.
Republicans can do much better. republican’s great weakness is that they cannot compete in the political arena.
Republicans are, I’m sorry to say, wimps. They can only win by default.
I’m not certain.
Perhaps his son, Sam, could find out for us.
Meanwhile, here are some of his positions that are fromhis website.
http://www.gohunter08.com/inner.asp?z=4
Sam, can you tell us what your dad’s position was with regards to the Terri Schiavo case?
“Abortion opponents can ill afford to give up their leverage in the GOP. Their position has little support among the cultural elite; many in the Republican establishment would like nothing better than to ‘get beyond issues like that.’”
There’s the money quote.
The white shoes, country club Republicans just aren’t happy with us social conservatives. They’ll take our votes as long as we shut up and ride the back of the bus.
I’m not going to vote for their candidate for president.
For later.
" Right to Life -- Governor Thompson is strongly pro-life and signed one of the nation’s first partial-birth abortion bans. Under Thompson, the number of adoptions in Wisconsin increased by 22 percent, while the number of abortions decreased by 37 percent. Just as he did in Wisconsin, Thompson would appoint strict constructionist judges who do not legislate from the bench."
I concur. If Giuliani is elected, he'll face two ruthless and fanatic enemies--one in Islamofascism, and one in the Democrat congress. If we don't have a strong majority in congress, he won't be able to get funding for the war unless he "compromises" with the Dems--meaning he'll have to give them what they want on issues like gun control, abortion, non-conservative judges, etc. And since all indications are that he's in favor of those things anyway, I can see huge inroads on our deteriorating freedoms in return for too little money for the war, effectively rendering us incapable of fighting it.
The only favorable thing about Giuliani, IMO, is his determination to fight for victory against Islamofascism. But his liberalism on all other issues would, I believe, result in his inability to carry that fight forward.
Another question, which I believe correlates to your statement, is whether God can even be assumed to be on the side of a nation that permits the slaughter of its most innocent and defenseless citizens.
You are a pretender and we've seen your kind before. They casually mention they just happened to be at "some demonstration" (even though you obviously remember the exact date, time, place, etc.) and, oh, you weren't really interested, blah, blah, blah.
You're a big phony pretender, pure and simple, who doesn't support a conservative agenda -- much more, you do support a liberal agenda including the compromise of our troops with "out and proud" homosexuals. You also BTW don't support right to life, you don't support the 2nd amendment -- even though you purport to belong to the NRA as related on your FR homepage -- given you endorse the #1 gun grabber Rudy G.
Get lost jerk. We don't need you or your ilk on this forum. Go somewhere else to spread your lies and false representations.
A snowball has a better chance of getting tossed around by the Devil himself than Rudy has of EVER getting my vote. The hillery beast threat carry's no wieght with me. If the beast gets to the WH, look back on these days where you Rudybots were warned, and you'll soon realize the damage YOU inflicted on our Country. I'm not whistling Dixie here, and I will NOT join in electing a NE LIBERAL, so people like you can whistle past the graveyard of what used to be America. Some of you bots have the common sense and reason of a rock so I don't expect you to get it until it's too late, and even then, I'll have to rely on a coin toss, just to keep it real. Blackbird.
Oh, good. On what network will the debate be televised, do you know? Will it be Fox, I hope I hope?
" Looks like our true blue conservative did pretty well in our prior poll. Let's now see what happens if we nominate a social liberal who's okay with abortion, gay unions and gay rights is a gun grabber and is weak on illegal immigration. Who do you vote for in the general?
- The social liberal with the big "R"
- Third party
- Undecided/praying
- Stay home
- Hillary, et al
Incidentally, the Fred Fan Club on FR is gloating about Fred is such a "winner" because he gets 70% in a FR poll where the ONLY choices are him or Rudy on the ballot. My guess is that any "true blue conservative" would get a similar level of "support" in a hypothetical two-way race with Rudy.
Shall we test this theory? Have some FR "polls" on the following:
Rudy vs. Tommy Thompson - Pick ONE
Rudy vs. Huckabee - Pick ONE
Rudy vs. Brownback - Pick ONE
Rudy vs. Gilmore - Pick ONE
Et. al
"Libertarian" = conservative? BWAH-Ha-Ha-Haaaaaaa!!!
Oh well, at least I can get that channel. I’m sure it’s on my list somewhere. Thanks for the info!
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