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City Council overrides veto, bans metal bats in NYC (Knee-Jerk Alert!)
ESPN.com ^ | 04/23/07 | Associated Press

Posted on 04/23/2007 1:44:34 PM PDT by RedCell

NEW YORK -- Metal bats will be banned in high school baseball starting this September in the nation's largest school system after the City Council on Monday overrode a mayoral veto of the bill.

The measure outlaws metal bats under the theory that they produce harder and faster hits, risking injury to young players who have less time to react. Opponents, who include Little League Baseball and sporting goods makers, say there is no evidence metal bats are more dangerous.

Youth leagues and lawmakers are proposing similar bans in other areas, including New Jersey, where a 12-year-old boy went into cardiac arrest and suffered serious injuries after a batted ball struck him in the chest.

In New York City, Mayor Michael Bloomberg vetoed the bat ban earlier this month, saying the issue should be left up to those who run the youth leagues, not the government. But the City Council overwhelmingly knocked down the veto by a vote of 41-4.

"What we're trying to do is reduce risk," said Councilmember James Oddo, the sponsor of the bill.

Opponents argue that there is no scientific evidence proving metal bats pose a greater danger than wooden bats, and that the anti-metal movement relies on emotional anecdotes over concrete data. Some have said they plan to challenge the matter in court.

In 2005, an American Legion Baseball study found no substantial scientific proof to support the argument that wooden bats are safer than metal bats.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey; US: New York
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In New York City, Mayor Michael Bloomberg vetoed the bat ban earlier this month... But the City Council overwhelmingly knocked down the veto by a vote of 41-4.

I tried to lookup the NYC Counicl to see who sat on it but the page wouldn't come up.

Why don't they ban baseballs and move to wiffle balls while they're at it? Sheesh!

1 posted on 04/23/2007 1:44:39 PM PDT by RedCell
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To: RedCell

They can make the wooden bats with all the trees we save from only using one square of toilet paper. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.


2 posted on 04/23/2007 1:48:11 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: RedCell

When bats are outlawed, only outlaws will have bats. Oh, and A-rod and the other Yankees. But I repeat myself.


3 posted on 04/23/2007 1:48:27 PM PDT by Nervous Tick
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To: RedCell
Opponents argue that there is no scientific evidence proving metal bats pose a greater danger than wooden bats, and that the anti-metal movement relies on emotional anecdotes over concrete data.

Emotional appeal still works over science and facts. The Dims and the GW crowd demonstrate this constantly.

4 posted on 04/23/2007 1:49:14 PM PDT by Edgerunner (keep your powder dry...)
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To: RedCell

Nobody NEEDS a wooden bat. Wooden bats are designed to do only one thing and that is to kill people.


5 posted on 04/23/2007 1:51:33 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (What's the difference between the CIA and the Free Clinic? The Free Clinic knows how to stop leaks.)
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To: RedCell

When I first saw this, I thought this was in response to the rash of homocides committed with bats.

I see it’s not, and I don’t understand why we aren’t banning bats because they are killing people.....


6 posted on 04/23/2007 1:55:38 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Doctor Raoul
What a revolting development ! Back in the mists of time, when I played Little League baseball, us kids couldn’t wait to “graduate” to the Pony League (I think this was age 13 and above) where you could use an aluminum bat. I seemed to me that I could react faster with the lighter bat but I don’t think I hit the ball any harder. One of Newton’s laws probably applies here...
7 posted on 04/23/2007 1:56:26 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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Why don't they ban baseballs and move to wiffle balls while they're at it? Sheesh!

Wiffle balls are too hard. Let's go straight to nerf balls.

8 posted on 04/23/2007 1:56:30 PM PDT by 50mm (algore uses 20 times as much energy as me)
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To: RedCell

Went to a tournament this weekend and there were no problems with aluminum bats, but they were 8 year old Texas girls.


9 posted on 04/23/2007 1:56:41 PM PDT by SouthTexas (Man made global warming is a man made LIE!)
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“We don’t need no stinkin’ Scientific evidence - it’s for the children...!”

yeah - I say let them use wiffle balls...all the Cuban highschools probably do


10 posted on 04/23/2007 2:00:20 PM PDT by baclava
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I say that the children should be allowed to bypass hitting all together. It is such a warmongering concept. They should be able to take their base if they “feel” they deserve it.
11 posted on 04/23/2007 2:07:52 PM PDT by TexGuy
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To: RedCell
Aluminum bats are an abomination. They should've been banned long ago.
Same with aluminum tennis rackets.

My personal opinion aside -- why is the City government wasting time on this issue? Have they solved all other problems so that they have time to address the burgeoning metal bat crisis? If that's the case, they ought to cut their hours and staff by half, and refund the money back to the taxpayers...

12 posted on 04/23/2007 2:07:58 PM PDT by El Cid (Seek ye the LORD while He may be found, call ye upon HIM while He is near.)
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Ok... the City Council page finally came up. Here are the members and their party. See a trend? The vote was 41-4, by the way. I could be paranoid but there are exactly 4 non-Democrats on this list (although the total is over 45 so my theory already has holes in it but it’s fun anyway).

“Oh, those poor children. We must protect them from those nasty “metal” bats even if their parents think otherwise. What do they know anyway? It takes a village!”

Joseph P. Addabbo, Jr. 32 Queens Democrat
Maria del Carmen Arroyo 17 Bronx Democrat
Tony Avella 19 Queens Democrat
Maria Baez 14 Bronx Democrat
Charles Barron 42 Brooklyn Democrat
Gale A. Brewer 6 Manhattan Democrat
Leroy G. Comrie, Jr. 27 Queens Democrat
Bill de Blasio 39 Brooklyn Democrat
Inez E. Dickens 9 Manhattan Democrat
Erik Martin Dilan 37 Brooklyn Democrat
Simcha Felder 44 Brooklyn Democrat
Lewis A. Fidler 46 Brooklyn Democrat
Helen D. Foster 16 Bronx Democrat
Dennis P. Gallagher 30 Queens Republican
Daniel R. Garodnick 4 Manhattan Democrat
James F. Gennaro 24 Queens Democrat
Vincent J. Gentile 43 Brooklyn Democrat
Alan J. Gerson 1 Manhattan Democrat
Eric N. Gioia 26 Queens Democrat
Sara M. Gonzalez 38 Brooklyn Democrat
Vincent Ignizio 51 Staten Island Republican
Robert Jackson 7 Manhattan Democrat
Letitia James 35 Brooklyn Working Families
Melinda R. Katz 29 Queens Democrat
G. Oliver Koppell 11 Bronx Democrat
Jessica S. Lappin 5 Manhattan Democrat
John C. Liu 20 Queens Democrat
Melissa Mark Viverito 8 Manhattan Democrat
Miguel Martinez 10 Manhattan Democrat
Michael E. McMahon 49 Staten Island Democrat
Darlene Mealy 41 Brooklyn Democrat
Rosie Mendez 2 Manhattan Democrat
Hiram Monserrate 21 Queens Democrat
Michael C. Nelson 48 Brooklyn Democrat
James S. Oddo 50 Staten Island Republican
Annabel Palma 18 Bronx Democrat
Christine C. Quinn 3 Manhattan Democrat
Domenic M. Recchia, Jr. 47 Brooklyn Democrat
Diana Reyna 34 Brooklyn Democrat
Joel Rivera 15 Bronx Democrat
James Sanders, Jr. 31 Queens Democrat
Larry B. Seabrook 12 Bronx Democrat
Helen Sears 25 Queens Democrat
Kendall Stewart 45 Brooklyn Democrat
James Vacca 13 Bronx Democrat
Peter F. Vallone, Jr. 22 Queens Democrat
Albert Vann 36 Brooklyn Democrat
David I. Weprin 23 Queens Democrat
Thomas White, Jr. 28 Queens Democrat
David Yassky 33 Brooklyn Democrat


13 posted on 04/23/2007 2:09:08 PM PDT by RedCell ("...thou shalt kill thine enemy before he killeth you by any means available" - Dick Marcinko)
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moonbats are allowed however


14 posted on 04/23/2007 2:12:19 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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So much for my paranoid theory. One of the co-sponsors of the bill is a Republican.


15 posted on 04/23/2007 2:13:30 PM PDT by RedCell ("...thou shalt kill thine enemy before he killeth you by any means available" - Dick Marcinko)
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Some evidence suggests metal bats produce greater ball speed when struck, wooden bats are by and large heavier for a given length.

As I recall when playing Little League I swung a 30 oz. bat, My son is 10 and I find him swinging an aluminum bat of comparable size that weighs 19 oz. You can get a lot more bat speed with 11 less ounces.

I seen the reports of some deaths attributed (True or false) to this, I've always liked wood and you can't get that sound using metal.

I don't know if banning metal bats is the way to go but as a minimum they should faze in (Say a three year period) such a policy. Some of these things cost hundreds of dollars and I'd be some pi$$ed of if I had doled out that kind of green.

16 posted on 04/23/2007 2:23:04 PM PDT by #1CTYankee (That's right, I have no proof. So what of it??)
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I wonder if these guys will comply?

17 posted on 04/23/2007 2:23:18 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: RedCell
Well, anything that goes tink! ought to be banned.
18 posted on 04/23/2007 2:29:30 PM PDT by Grut
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“Moon bats ban metal bats early in the Century of the Fruit Bat; BATF* to enforce!”

*Batty Athletics Tampering Freaks


19 posted on 04/23/2007 2:37:35 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: RedCell

In related news, Mayor Michael Bloomberg stated that line drives will be taxed the same $8.00 as personal automobiles. The exception will be industry and office softball leagues which will be charged at the rate of $21.00 per line drive.

“We have to protect the air quality of Manhattan below 86th street. There’s just too much congestion in the air to attract new residents to Manhattan. These taxes will make the city more attractive.”


20 posted on 04/23/2007 2:38:01 PM PDT by Covenantor
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