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Sorry, overall, Giuliani is too far left [not a fiscal conservative either]
Newsday ^ | April 23, 2007 | Raymond J. Keating

Posted on 04/23/2007 2:17:05 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182

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To: Ultra Sonic 007
If Giuliani became the nominee, the conservative wing of the Republican Party would, in effect, be marginalized.

IMO, that is exactly the purpose. Marginalizing all other candidates at the Rudy alter is what his supporters are all about.

101 posted on 04/23/2007 10:47:36 AM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: EYE33
[ It’s the RINOS who are trying to shove this fraud down everybody’s throat. ]

WHAT RINOS ON FREE REPUBLIC?...
( the vapours, swooning, PASSED OUT, dull thud)..

102 posted on 04/23/2007 10:56:13 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Judging by the cranky feedback, supporters of Rudy Giuliani's bid for the Republican presidential nomination...

Many were banned in last night's bloodbath. Be happy.

103 posted on 04/23/2007 10:59:36 AM PDT by RedRover
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To: Prokopton
I haven't seen anywhere that Rudy got a "majority" of any voting block.

As I said, purely anecdotal on my part. That's been my experience, from talking to folks here in central Texas. I don't say that to in any way influence others, I was merely explaining to that other person why I remain unconvinced that all social Cs will refuse to vote for Rudy.

And since Rudy also seems to be tops of most polls, perhaps my experience isn't so far off . . .

But who knows? I could easily be wrong. It's just I tend to trust my own experience over what some folks with an agenda on the internet say.

104 posted on 04/23/2007 11:19:07 AM PDT by Dominic Harr (Conservative: The "ant", to a liberal's "grasshopper".)
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To: Reagan Man
In the end, enough conservatives will not vote for Rudy and that will sink his campaign.

Perhaps.

Altho since you're completely misrepresenting what that study says, forgive me if I don't exactly bet money on your prediction!

Personally, I'm fascinated by this entire mob thing, the 'peasants with pitchforks' campaign against Rudy. It's failed every time it's been tried, in the past. In the past, it only lead to ruin for the peasants, who after losing had found they spent all political credibility.

Maybe, this time, things will be different?

Somehow I doubt it. But who knows?

105 posted on 04/23/2007 11:24:02 AM PDT by Dominic Harr (Conservative: The "ant", to a liberal's "grasshopper".)
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To: tkathy
The so called real conservatives, whoever those ethereal beings are, need to be attacking democrats NOT REPUBLICANS!!!

Au contraire. We need to be attacking liberals, not conservatives.

106 posted on 04/23/2007 11:28:32 AM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: tkathy
The conservatives must come up with a candidate who can WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION.

Au contraire encore. The conservatives must come up with a CONSERVATIVE who can WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION.

107 posted on 04/23/2007 11:30:14 AM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: sushiman
Vote Ron Paul !

Nope. if I wanted to vote for a traitor, I would have voted for Kerry in '04.

109 posted on 04/23/2007 11:51:21 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: sushiman

Yep, Ron Paul was in the Air Force. And Benedict Arnold was a war hero, right up until he decided to help our enemies.


110 posted on 04/23/2007 11:52:26 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: EYE33

You need to do a little reading. I’m opposed to Rudy because he is a liberal.


111 posted on 04/23/2007 11:54:36 AM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: tkathy
The bottom line is Rudy would take the fight to the democrats, something the wussies in the rest of the POTUS field couldn’t and wouldn’t

Oh man, I am dying laughing! You are too funny!

112 posted on 04/23/2007 11:55:51 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: sushiman

I’ll pass on the isolationist nutbars, thanks.


113 posted on 04/23/2007 11:56:18 AM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: Dominic Harr
>>>>> ..... you're completely misrepresenting what that study says ...

BULLONEY! I've been posting that MI info/data on RudyG for the last eight months here on FR. A few posters, and I do mean a few, have attempted to debate my posts and refute the facts. They didn't succeed. You're the only one who has said I'm misrepresnting the facts as contained in the article. Fact remains, I'm misrepresenting nothing. The analysis stands on its own. If anything, you're the one misrepresenting the facts of the MI critique by Edmund J. McMahon.

>>>>>Personally, I'm fascinated by this entire mob thing, the 'peasants with pitchforks' campaign against Rudy. It's failed every time it's been tried, in the past.

More whining. I have no idea WTF you're talking about. Rudy`s hardcore support among FReepers is less then 10%.

One more time. You RudyBoosters can spin, obfuscate and shill for Giuliani and give all the political cover to his campaign that you can muster. You can deny his life long support for liberal issues and liberal causes. The fact remains Rudy is no conservative, never has been and never will be. His final fiscal record as mayor might impress his supporters, but conservatives find it abysmal.

Again, the Manhattan Institute critique of Rudy`s record is a devastating testament to his liberalism. It clearly spells out in no uncertain terms Rudy`s final fiscal record of big deficits ($2.0 billion), huge debts ($42 billion), spendthrift policies and out of control hiring practices that made liberal organs like the NEA and AFT overjoyed.

One more time:

"The scope of government was not reduced at all. ..... money saved on social services has only helped to subsidize big increases in other categories. Today the array of social services sponsored and partially funded by the city—from day care to virtually guaranteed housing—is as wide as ever."

"In the final analysis, Mayor Giuliani sought to make the city deliver services more efficiently—not to make the city deliver fewer services. ..... the city instead failed to reduce spending."

"Even with the tax cuts of the last several years, New York remains by far the most heavily taxed big city in the country."

116 posted on 04/23/2007 12:31:03 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

This is the key excerpt from the piece:

“But wasn’t Giuliani a great tax cutter? He likes to present himself that way on the campaign trail. He deserves credit for cutting some taxes, including the city’s hotel and commercial rent taxes.

But he also worked hard for high taxes. In 1994, Giuliani endorsed Gov. Mario Cuomo, a Democrat, for re-election against then-challenger George Pataki, the Republican. Why? In part, it was because Giuliani opposed Pataki’s proposed tax cuts.

And in 1999 Giuliani fought against the State Legislature’s repeal of a commuter income tax.

In fact, Giuliani’s rather smallish tax cuts were swamped by his tax increases. New York City’s personal, corporate and unincorporated business income taxes, on top of state income levies, have long hampered entrepreneurship and economic growth, chasing away individuals and businesses. Giuliani’s budgets called for continuing a temporary personal income tax surcharges when they were to expire. Those are big tax increases Giuliani does not bring up when he’s campaigning.

In 1998, Giuliani reneged on his promise to eliminate the commercial rent tax and opposed the Democrat-led city council’s effort to allow one of the income tax surcharges to expire as scheduled. He wanted to use the commercial rent tax revenue to build new stadiums for the Mets and Yankees, and was holding the income tax surcharge hostage to get the city council’s support. That surcharge expired, despite Giuliani’s opposition.

So much for Rudy the tax cutter.”


117 posted on 04/23/2007 1:05:17 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (http://auh2orepublican.blogspot.com/)
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To: tkathy

What exactly would he fight the democrats for he has the same exact policies? He’s pro-choice, he’d like to see a ban on firearms, he’s pro-illegals and he’s pro-gay rights. In what way does he differ from the dems?


118 posted on 04/23/2007 1:24:02 PM PDT by panthermom (DUNCAN HUNTER 2008)
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To: Jim Robinson

Um, we should like R.G. because he is, um, ah, more conservative than NYC’s Mayor Bloomberg?


119 posted on 04/23/2007 1:40:22 PM PDT by OldArmy52 (China & India: Doing jobs Americans don't want to do (manuf., engineering, accounting, etc))
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To: panthermom

As we speak, Bush and Cheney are in danger of getting impeached and doing nothing about it. Bush is being vilified and demonized much like Nixon was. Rudy would be ripping them new ones over this.


120 posted on 04/23/2007 1:49:48 PM PDT by tkathy
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