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Ok, we’ll pick an item from my list and let you go for it. Please name the founding fathers you think would go for abortion. How about partial birth abortion? How about taxpayer funded abortion? Do you think the founding fathers would say that abortionism is next to Godliness or would they think it’s a purely evil and barbaric practice? How many founding fathers thought they were writing “A woman’s right to choose abortion” into the constitution? Please name them and provide examples from their quotations and writings on the topic. When did the founding fathers debate abortion rights at the constitutional convention? Which founders were on each side of the debate? Where are the minutes or notes of the debate? Where are the letters, books, etc, written by our founders regarding the big abortion debate?

Please answer these questions, then we’ll tackle the next issue.

As I said, let a good, honest historian go through the records.

I am honest. I never claimed to be a historian.

Twenty years ago you would have never believed Jefferson probably had relations with Sally Hemmings. DNA testing has shown the liklihood otherwise. Some of these guys had dark sides along with their unique ability to forge a country and some pretty good starting point documents. They were overall largely good men they likely weren't saints.

I would like to discuss it. I am oppossed to it, on Religious grounds, period.

But I do have some confusions about it and the Constitution.

James Wilson was one of only six men to sign both the Declaration and the Constitution, and was a Supreme Court justice from 1789 to 1798.

Recognized as “the most learned and profound legal scholar of his generation,” Wilson’s lectures were attended by President George Washington, Vice President John Adams, Secretary of State Thomas Jefferson and a “galaxy of other republican worthies.” For this reason, as constitutional scholar Walter Berns states, “Wilson, when speaking on the law, might be said to be speaking for the Founders generally.” So what do the Founders say about the right to life?

He wrote:“With consistency, beautiful and undeviating, human life from its commencement to its close, is protected by the common law. In the contemplation of law, life begins when the infant is first able to stir in the womb. By the law, life is protected not only from immediate destruction, but from every degree of actual violence, and in some cases, from every degree of danger.”

I take this to mean, that the Constitution protects life.

The key question then becomes the point at which the unborn fetus becomes an unborn child.

Wilson, in agreement with the limited medical jurisprudence of his time, assumed that life begins with the “quickening" of the infant in his mother’s womb. As taught by Aristotle, the quickening was the point at which the fetus was infused with a human, rational soul. John Bouvier’s Law Dictionary, first printed in 1839, defines the quickening as follows: “The motion of the foetus, when felt by the mother, is called quickening, and the mother is then said to be quick with child. This happens at different periods of pregnancy in different women, and in different circumstances, but most usually about the fifteenth or sixteenth week after conception….”

So, what about it? Does this mean that abortion is accepted, by the Consitution, in what we call the first trimester?

No, why?

Yes, why?

Before I get flamed by others for this, I'm seriously trying to understand, and I am confused by this passage.

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P Run, FRED, run!