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1 posted on 04/21/2007 11:58:22 AM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

If he’s thinking like Bush on immigration.....that’s all I need to know.


2 posted on 04/21/2007 12:00:02 PM PDT by conserv8ive1 (Rudy and the Bots...blasting off to oblivion.)
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To: calcowgirl

Flippity flop flop, flippity flop flop, Rudy’s on his way....


3 posted on 04/21/2007 12:00:12 PM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: calcowgirl

First abortion, then (some) guns, now immigration, by December he might have his impersonation of a conservative down pat.


4 posted on 04/21/2007 12:00:24 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (A proud member of the Frederalist society.)
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To: calcowgirl

“Will the real Rudy please stand up.”


8 posted on 04/21/2007 12:02:59 PM PDT by devane617 (Let's take back our country -- get a job in the MSM, or education system. We need you.)
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To: calcowgirl; FreeInWV; Reagan Man; Fierce Allegiance; EternalVigilance; B Knotts; Kimberly GG; ...
On President Bill Clinton: Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, Giuliani told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." -Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.




The Real Rudy Giuliani:

From Human Events:

Pro-Illegal Immigration

As Tom Bevan of RealClearPolitics has pointed out, Rudy is an adherent of the same approach to illegal immigration that John McCain, Ted Kennedy, George Bush, and Harry Reid have championed:

"While McCain has taken heat for his support of comprehensive immigration reform, Rudy is every bit as pro-immigration as McCain - if not more so. On the O'Reilly Factor last week Giuliani argued for a "practical approach" to immigration and cited his efforts as Mayor of New York City to "regularize" illegal immigrants by providing them with access to city services like public education to "make their lives reasonable." Giuliani did say that "a tremendous amount of money should be put into the physical security" needed to stop the flow of illegal immigrants coming across the border, but his overall position on immigration is essentially indistinguishable from McCain's."

That's bad enough. But, as Michelle Malkin has revealed, under Giuliani, New York was an illegal alien sanctuary and "America's Mayor" actually sued the federal government in an effort to keep New York City employees from having to cooperate with the INS:

"When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law."

If you agree with the way that Nancy Pelosi and Company deal with illegal immigration, then you'll find the way that Rudy Giuliani tackles the issue to be right down your alley.

CLICK HERE TO READ MORE OF GIULIANI'S LEFT-WING POLITICAL POSITIONS

9 posted on 04/21/2007 12:09:30 PM PDT by NapkinUser (Rudy Giuliani gets his salsa from New York City.)
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I dare say you won’t get any better than that on immigration from any other Republican that has a chance to win the nomination.


10 posted on 04/21/2007 12:09:45 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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Like Mr. Bush, Mr. Giuliani emphasizes the need for tough border controls

[snicker]
12 posted on 04/21/2007 12:17:22 PM PDT by TomGuy
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” Mr. Giuliani emphasizes the need for tough border controls. He said he wanted to help those who are already in America become citizens, but he is quick to highlight that he is not in favor of amnesty.”

That is such twisted logic, help them become citizens but not offer amnesty! How is that possible?

The only thing I want to see them do is show those who are here illegally the border gates with a swift kick in their @sses on the way out!!


14 posted on 04/21/2007 12:19:29 PM PDT by upsdriver (DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRESIDENT!!!!)
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As Mayor, Rudy blurred the distinction between legal and illegal aliens. No one is denying the fact that NYC has a rich history of immigrants, who came here on their own, through legal channels, who had to learn the American way of life, to pursue the American dream. These immigrants of yesteryear are far different than the border crossers and visa overstayers we have now.


17 posted on 04/21/2007 12:21:38 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Ben Franklin, we tried but we couldn't keep it.)
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And that’s why he will lose


18 posted on 04/21/2007 12:21:39 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: calcowgirl

Like Mr. Bush, Mr. Giuliani emphasizes the need for tough border controls.


When do we start laughing? Yeah, they see such a strong need for border control, that is why NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE OF ANY SUBSTANCE, in fact they work to PREVENT suppression of illegal flow. Hypocrites and liars.


19 posted on 04/21/2007 12:23:31 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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now he emphasizes denying amnesty.

Mr. Giuliani’s approach is similar to the one proposed by President Bush, advocating an orderly flow of immigrants by providing a clear path to citizenship

Non Sequitur alert!

34 posted on 04/21/2007 12:40:40 PM PDT by Prokopton
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“Mr. Giuliani frames the issue as one of national security. But as he talks about immigration on the campaign trail, Mr. Giuliani suggests that his core beliefs have not changed much since his days as mayor,”

Thats great Rooty. Your core beliefs are still what they were when you defied court orders to run your sanctuary city at tax payer expense...

Kennedy School of Government
Harvard University
Thursday, October 10, 1996

“I am speaking out because I believe that a threat to immigration can be a threat to the future of our country. Just as they did in years past, immigrants today revitalize and reinvigorate the culture and economy of our cities and states...

” Many don’t speak English, or speak it haltingly. That may give the impression that their children would be a burden to our school system. But the fact is, their children often out-perform native-born students...

“So there is really no reason for the punitive anti-immigration legislation that we are now seeing in Washington.

“So illegal and undocumented immigrants are going to remain, and even increase.

“Executive Order 124” protects undocumented immigrants in New York City from being reported to the I.N.S. While they are using City services that are critical for their health and safety, and for the health and safety of the entire city.
“And yet Section 434 of the new welfare reform law, and Section 642 of the new immigration law, would effectively invalidate New York City’s “Executive Order 124.”

“The federal government’s effort to overturn “Executive Order 124” is not only bad policy, it is a violation of the U.S. Constitution. It is my opinion that the new law is unfair because discriminates based on immigration status.

http://www.ibisnetwork.com/giuliani/text/immkenn.html

Yes folks, Rooty thinks its a violation of the Constitution to deny welfare to ILLEGALS, and as he said, he hasn’t changed his mind.

No thanks Rooty, stay in NYC and play dress-up with your queer friends.

35 posted on 04/21/2007 12:42:33 PM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super Walmart for news .)
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Lets see now. Rudy says he believes killing the unborn is a womans constitutional right, regulating the 2nd amendment is okay, special rights for gays is fine and amnesty for illegals is just dandy.

No wonder conservative Freepers aren’t buying what Rudy is selling.


37 posted on 04/21/2007 12:50:00 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: calcowgirl

Rudy must change his ideas on immigration.


41 posted on 04/21/2007 1:00:28 PM PDT by tkathy
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To: calcowgirl

Looks like Rudy’s principles are almost as flexible as our very own Austrian’s principles (such as they are)...


42 posted on 04/21/2007 1:03:23 PM PDT by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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A decade ago, Rudy was NOT the only politician who would NOT speak against illegal intruders.

A decade ago, some of us were aware the problem was much worse than the media spoke about, but we were ignored.

We were ignored at the risk of the entire nation, IMO.

The problem is much bigger, and the 12 million number is a joke. I estimate it at closer to 45-50 million.


43 posted on 04/21/2007 1:03:55 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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> “In contrast to his years as mayor, when he fought federal efforts to curtail public hospital or educational services to illegal immigrants, he now talks of penalties for people here illegally and requirements for them to wait at the back of the line.”

Rudy is Captain Pander of the Flipflop Patrol. Not even Kerry flippityflopped this bad!


46 posted on 04/21/2007 1:19:36 PM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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I guarantee you, Fred Thompson will not come out in favor of en-masse deportation, round ups, mass arrests by local law enforcement of day laborers, etc.

I wonder what people here are going to say when that happens.


53 posted on 04/21/2007 1:39:43 PM PDT by oceanview
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The only “R” relevant to Giuliani is in RINO.


74 posted on 04/21/2007 2:58:11 PM PDT by Rightfootforward
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