Posted on 04/21/2007 11:58:20 AM PDT by calcowgirl
DES MOINES, April 16 --Rudolph W. Giuliani is a long way from Ellis Island.
A decade ago, as mayor of New York, Mr. Giuliani used that historic backdrop to champion the cause of immigrants, calling attacks on people who came here legally a blow to “the heart and soul of America.” And from City Hall he often defended illegal immigrants, ordering city workers not to deny them benefits and advocating measures to ease their path to citizenship.
But now he is running for president, and the politics of immigration in the post-9/11 world is vastly different, with the issue splitting the Republican Party and voters peppering Mr. Giuliani on the campaign trail with questions about his current thinking. Perhaps more than any other candidate, Mr. Giuliani has a record on immigration with the potential to complicate his bid for the nomination.
In contrast to his years as mayor, when he fought federal efforts to curtail public hospital or educational services to illegal immigrants, he now talks of penalties for people here illegally and requirements for them to wait at the back of the line. And while he once pushed policies like providing schooling for the children of illegal immigrants by saying, “The reality is that they are here, and they’re going to remain here,” now he emphasizes denying amnesty.
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Mr. Giuliani’s approach is similar to the one proposed by President Bush, advocating an orderly flow of immigrants by providing a clear path to citizenship and thereby easing the pressure at the border.
Like Mr. Bush, Mr. Giuliani emphasizes the need for tough border controls. He said he wanted to help those who are already in America become citizens, but he is quick to highlight that he is not in favor of amnesty, which leading Republican candidates dare not endorse.
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And those "others" are, in turn, appointed by the mayor.
If you want to be technical about it, half of them are appointed from a list he receives from others (e.g. the deans of the law schools.)
Apparently it is lost on you that he had to pick from eligible people in New York. That was bound to produce a group that you dont like.
You will never be able to acknowledge Rudy's accomplishments. It's that simple.
I certainly do. I like what he did for New York.
But his positions do not qualify him as Presidential material. They just don’t.
“but any effective employer sanction program, must have a tamper proof social security card - so employers have some uniform way of verification.”
I respectfully disagree. There is already a program available that goes back and checks social security records and allows employers to vet employees for their status. It’s voluntary, and guess which employers don’t volunteer to use it?
Ok that settles it. I am voting for pissant.
LOL!
I don't know of any candidate who has, do you? Some of the others, however, are in favor of enforcing our laws, not suing the Feds to stop them.
INS hardly deports anyone - numerically, in relation to the # of illegals versus the number they deport. just about every jurisdiction in the country is a “sanctuary city”, because cooperating with INS for misdemenor incidents that involve illegals, or the use of local police to identify them when they “appear” at places like hospital emergency rooms, is a waste of time.
and when they have fake documentation, then what?
“and when they have fake documentation, then what?”
It shouldn’t matter; either you have an employment history in the database or you don’t. The system is designed to vet IDs by checking them against existing databases, primarily social security.
Of course, with fake documents it becomes something of an arms race. Once you screen out the lower quality fakes, you force the establishment of fraudulent data and better fake IDs with the data to back them up. But that costs money and the economic incentive begins to evaporate. At a certain point it becomes too expensive for the illegal alien to get the documentation they need to secure employment.
You’ll never completely get rid of people using fake documentation. But if you make it expensive enough, you can largely take care of the problem.
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