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Unarmed and Vulnerable
The Roanoke Times/ roanoke.com ^ | Thursday, August 31, 2006 | Bradford B. Wiles

Posted on 04/20/2007 9:48:58 AM PDT by archy

Unarmed and vulnerable

Bradford B. Wiles

Wiles, of New Castle, is a graduate student at Virginia Tech.

On Aug. 21 at about 9:20 a.m., my graduate-level class was evacuated from the Squires Student Center. We were interrupted in class and not informed of anything other than the following words: "You need to get out of the building."

Upon exiting the classroom, we were met at the doors leading outside by two armor-clad policemen with fully automatic weapons, plus their side arms. Once outside, there were several more officers with either fully automatic rifles and pump shotguns, and policemen running down the street, pistols drawn.

It was at this time that I realized that I had no viable means of protecting myself.

Please realize that I am licensed to carry a concealed handgun in the commonwealth of Virginia, and do so on a regular basis. However, because I am a Virginia Tech student, I am prohibited from carrying at school because of Virginia Tech's student policy, which makes possession of a handgun an expellable offense, but not a prosecutable crime.

I had entrusted my safety, and the safety of others to the police. In light of this, there are a few things I wish to point out.

First, I never want to have my safety fully in the hands of anyone else, including the police.

Second, I considered bringing my gun with me to campus, but did not due to the obvious risk of losing my graduate career, which is ridiculous because had I been shot and killed, there would have been no graduate career for me anyway.

Third, and most important, I am trained and able to carry a concealed handgun almost anywhere in Virginia and other states that have reciprocity with Virginia, but cannot carry where I spend more time than anywhere else because, somehow, I become a threat to others when I cross from the town of Blacksburg onto Virginia Tech's campus.

Of all of the emotions and thoughts that were running through my head that morning, the most overwhelming one was of helplessness.

That feeling of helplessness has been difficult to reconcile because I knew I would have been safer with a proper means to defend myself.

I would also like to point out that when I mentioned to a professor that I would feel safer with my gun, this is what she said to me, "I would feel safer if you had your gun."

The policy that forbids students who are legally licensed to carry in Virginia needs to be changed.

I am qualified and capable of carrying a concealed handgun and urge you to work with me to allow my most basic right of self-defense, and eliminate my entrusting my safety and the safety of my classmates to the government.

This incident makes it clear that it is time that Virginia Tech and the commonwealth of Virginia let me take responsibility for my safety.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: banglist; cho; shooting; vatech
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To: mylife; RC2
Hell. i’m armed right now. Ypu got a problem with that?

And he is probably in the shower!

; < )

81 posted on 04/21/2007 11:20:33 AM PDT by Eaker (Free The Texas 3 - Ramos, Compean and Hernandez)
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To: Eaker

LOL. I carried a loaded 1911A1 all over Europe for years, and never once pulled it out, except at the range.


82 posted on 04/21/2007 11:24:27 AM PDT by patton (19yrs ... only 4,981yrs to go ;))
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To: Eaker
that little bastard Cho did NOT show up there wanting to shoot folks.

Been nice if he did.

He'd get him a Texas style attitude adjustment.

83 posted on 04/21/2007 11:28:32 AM PDT by humblegunner (?)
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To: Eaker

L0L

Good thing I shoot better than I spell L0L


84 posted on 04/21/2007 11:31:54 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: RC2
I know some will jump on me for this but I have a problem, again, with thousands of students carrying weapons on campus.

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85 posted on 04/21/2007 11:35:09 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (Pelosi Democrats agree with Al Queda more often than they agree with President Bush.)
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To: Eaker; mylife

He takes showers?

With FR, Pookie, music, and cooking, when does he have time to take a shower?


86 posted on 04/21/2007 11:40:09 AM PDT by HiJinx (Ask me about Troop Support...)
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To: RC2
Again, people need to get together and come up with a way to stop this from happening.

Maybe we should make murder illegal? Or maybe we should ban guns from campus? Or maybe we should not let loonies buy guns? Or maybe we should conduct in vitro testing and eliminate all potential future threats to society?

87 posted on 04/21/2007 11:44:15 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (Pelosi Democrats agree with Al Queda more often than they agree with President Bush.)
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To: HiJinx

Thats enough chatter from the peanut gallery! ;0)


88 posted on 04/21/2007 11:45:01 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Aye, aye, Cap’n.

I think I’ll go mow the back yard now.


89 posted on 04/21/2007 11:50:20 AM PDT by HiJinx (Ask me about Troop Support...)
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To: HiJinx; mylife
Good point.

He was probably in the kitchen cooking chile while dancing, singing and laughing showering by spraying himself with the sink sprayer, scrubbing with Hoppes powder solvent!

; < )

90 posted on 04/21/2007 11:50:40 AM PDT by Eaker (Free The Texas 3 - Ramos, Compean and Hernandez)
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To: RC2
First off, you're overestimating the portion of the population that carries concealed weapons in jurisdictions that allow it. Only a small percentage do. So in a population like the VA-Tech student population on a typical Monday, a few hundred would be carrying concealed firearms; not thousands. (From the latest stats I can find, about 4% of the population on VA has concealed handgun permits. IIRC, VA-Tech has 23,000 students. Thus if they have permits at the same rate as the rest of the population, then ~900 should have permits. I suspect, however, that fewer than 4% of the students would be so politically incorrect as to have concealed handgun permits.)

Next, you fail to take into account the effect these randomly distributed, armed students and teachers would have on Cho. He wanted to go out with a bang, if you'll pardon the pun. That doesn't happen if someone shoots him before he really accomplishes anything. Cho was a miserable failure in life. He was a waste of skin and he knew it. In his mind, his one chance for fame and immortality was to kill as many people as possible. He didn't want some "redneck with a gun" to interrupt his moment of glory. He wanted the field to himself so that he could kill and terrorize as many people as possible before the cops showed up. In the back of his mind, he knew that had ~15 minutes to do just that. Not knowing where the "redneck with a gun" might be hiding ruins the whole plan; it add uncertainty. His 15 minutes could have been reduced to 15 seconds. (And this uncertainty is, in fact, how concealed carry reduces violent crime in areas where it's allowed. Criminals don't know which potential "victim" isn't a victim at all.)

Finally, you fail to see the tactical situation that would have confronted the first cops to arrive. The show would have been over. Even if Cho had gone ahead with his plane despite the uncertainty involved, odds are that out of the hundreds of students and teachers in that building that day, one of them would have been armed and able to respond. Cho would have either been shot, cornered, or driven off. Why? Because the first responder would have been an armed citizen instead of a cop. That armed citizen would have arrived on the scene in seconds, not minutes. Yes, some people would have died, but not 32; Cho needed time to kill that many. The unavoidable lag time before the police could get there gave him that time. A student or teacher with a gun inside the building gets there much faster. The police can't be everywhere; armed citizens can.

91 posted on 04/21/2007 12:06:59 PM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: LUV W

It is so easy to pick out the ones who understand it like you do verses those that don’t.

I look forward to seeing you at the next shoot. Hopefully I won’t have the flu and will be better company.


92 posted on 04/21/2007 12:11:31 PM PDT by Eaker (Free The Texas 3 - Ramos, Compean and Hernandez)
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To: Eaker

You were fine company even with having the flu. I just wish you had felt better.

It was great to see you and yours again. Look forward to next time!


93 posted on 04/21/2007 1:06:43 PM PDT by trussell
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To: SuziQ
I've been posting that for a few years now. Strange thing. I first posted it here for it's really bizarre humor.

Much has changed in the world. Especially in the U.S. I no longer consider it bizarre. It's message may be the only method to salvage and restore civilization and to keep it from falling in the hands of the death worshippers and tyrants.

And its message is simple.

Fight or flight.

But there is no safe place to flee to anymore.

Mankind was created to live -- and to live FREE, without fear. We, as individuals are tasked with creating and maintaining the environment to do that. If we fail, all is vanity and for naught. And is becoming apparent with each passing day that we are on the brink of failure.

We create governments to assist us in that task. When they fail, we must do it ourselves.

And that's where it's at today. Basically, I'm a very lazy person and would rather be sailing. But I believe there is s a time for all things, and this is the time to clean up the mess we've allowed to accrue all these years.

I also convinced that as America goes, so goes the civilized world. For progress or for self-extermination.

I choose the former, and I hope we have the numbers.

94 posted on 04/21/2007 1:26:19 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Eaker

I am glad that I made myself clear enough to be understood! LOL!

I hope you are feeling better now and that next time we get together you are not sick. It had to have just about ruined your perfect weekend.


95 posted on 04/21/2007 2:11:03 PM PDT by luvie (GWs message to Tony: stay strong; a lot of people love you and care for you and will pray for you)
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To: Mini-14

I read that speech and Wayne mentions unsupervised youth access to guns, the Eddie Eagle campaign and juveniles. Nowhere in that speech does he mention colleges. Since when does a college student need Eddie Eagle?

So you believe children should be able to bring guns to grammar schools and secondary schools? Do you believe kids should have shootouts over lunch money?


96 posted on 04/21/2007 2:59:48 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
He could be DITHF for all we know. (Obscure FR reference)

Oh, yes... I remember *HIM* all right...

the infowarrior

97 posted on 04/21/2007 3:35:44 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: archy

Shut up, and be like lambs...


98 posted on 04/21/2007 3:38:21 PM PDT by RavenATB
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To: archy

And who will prosecute them? School administrators are above the law. Any law. And they know it.


99 posted on 04/21/2007 4:07:33 PM PDT by pray4liberty (http://totallyunjust.tripod.com)
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To: Eaker
not owning a fire extinguisher will prevent fires

Perfect analogy.

100 posted on 04/21/2007 6:28:31 PM PDT by AZamericonnie
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