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Gun control returns as campaign issue (Barf Alert)
Yahoo News/AP ^ | April 18, 2007 | Calvin Woodward

Posted on 04/19/2007 3:16:34 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Gun control has been treated with a mix of silence and discomfort in the presidential campaign, a response that may become insupportable once the nation finds its voice in the aftermath of the Virginia Tech mass murder.

Democrats have been deliberately muted for months on an issue that, by their own reckoning, contributed to and perhaps sealed their defeat in the 2000 presidential election. That's when Al Gore's call for gun registration cost him votes in rural America and dulled the party's appetite for taking on the gun lobby.

Top Republicans in the race are trying to close ranks with their party's conservative base on a variety of issues, making gun control an unusually sensitive one for them, too, thanks to their liberal views in the past.

Enter the massacre at Blacksburg, Va., an attack so horrific it froze the presidential campaign in place. Candidates called off events and expressed only sorrow, not opinion, in the first hours.

Advocates of any stripe raised their gun agenda at their peril.

"I think that people who want to take this within 24 hours of the event and make it their political hobby horse to ride ... I've got nothing but loathing for them," Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine said. "To those who want to try to make this into some little crusade, I say take that elsewhere."

But the bloodiest shooting rampage in modern U.S. history, with 33 dead, is certain to set off a debate that those who would be president can hardly sit out in the days and weeks ahead.

With facts still unfolding, the killer was described as a creepy loner who had been accused of stalking two women, wrote violent schoolwork, been sent to mental health counseling for suspected suicidal tendencies, and scared some fellow students out of coming to class — yet did not have a criminal record that might have stopped him from buying his guns.

Rudy Giuliani waded gently into the debate Wednesday, a day after GOP rival John McCain said that the attack did not throw him off his support for constitutional gun rights.

"Obviously, this tragedy does not alter the Second Amendment," Giuliani said in a statement. "People have the right to keep and bear arms and the Constitution says this right will not be infringed."

His emphasis on state-by-state solutions to gun control in the GOP primaries contrasts with his past enthusiasm for a federal mandate to register handgun owners — an even stiffer requirement than registering guns.

Giuliani, as New York mayor and former Senate candidate, and Mitt Romney, as Massachusetts governor, supported the federal ban on assault-type weapons, background checks on gun purchases and other restrictions reviled by many gun-rights advocates.

The other New Yorker in this race, Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, also supported proposals for state-issued photo gun licenses, as well as a national registry for handgun sales, in positions laid out for crime-weary New Yorkers in 2000.

In this campaign, candidates in both parties who've ever taken a shot at a prey are playing up their hunting credentials. Others are highlighting their allegiance to the constitutional right to bear arms or avoiding the question altogether.

Now such questions are unavoidably in their face.

"Not talking about an issue may be successful in the short term but it's never a successful long-term strategy," said James Kessler, policy and gun-control specialist at Third Way, a Democratic centrist group. "I don't think that a candidate will be punished for supporting gun safety measures this time around."

But, he said he thought that after Columbine, lawmakers could pass legislation requiring background checks on weapons bought at gun shows "and we didn't."

Mass shootings have often been the catalyst for legislative action on gun control, with mixed results.

And with Democrats controlling Congress partly on the strength of new members from rural parts of the country, few lawmakers were expecting the Virginia Tech assault to revive the most far-reaching gun-control proposals of the past, such as national licensing or registration.

In 1999, after the Columbine High School killings in Colorado left 15 dead,lawmakers unsuccessfully introduced dozens of bills to require mandatory child safety locks on new handguns, ban "Saturday night specials," increase the minimum age for gun purchases and require background checks on weapons bought at gun shows.

A month after the Columbine shootings, then-Vice President Gore cast the tie-breaking vote in the Senate to advance a juvenile crime bill that included gun show restrictions. But the bill died in negotiations with the House.

McCain has a long record of voting for gun rights in the Senate but changed some of his views, sponsoring legislation to support the gun show restrictions he once opposed.

And Democratic candidate John Edwards, despite recently highlighting his boyhood outings hunting birds, rabbits and deer as well as his respect for gun ownership rights, backed his party's main gun control measures when he was in the Senate.

Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, as a state lawmaker in the 1990s, supported a ban on semiautomatic weapons and tougher state restrictions on firearms.

Gun control seemed far from the minds of voters before the murders Monday. In an AP-Ipsos poll taken last week in which respondents were asked to name the most important problem facing the country, few if any spontaneously mentioned guns or gun control. That's likely to change in response to the Blacksburg rampage.

The Virginia Tech senior and South Korean native identified as the gunman, Cho Seung-Hui, was a legal permanent resident of the U.S., meaning he could legally buy a handgun unless he had been convicted of a felony. The campus killings were carried out with 9 mm and .22-caliber handguns.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; choseunghui; electionpresident; guncontrol; hillaryclinton; johnmccain; nra; obama; rtkba; rudygiuliani; virginiatech
Flip flop, flip flop...
1 posted on 04/19/2007 3:16:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lets hope it does because the democrats will fail miserably.


2 posted on 04/19/2007 3:18:59 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: cripplecreek

The rotten liberals will keep surfacing their efforts to disarm the law-abiding public. An armed society is one of their worst nightmares. Same old crap.


3 posted on 04/19/2007 3:31:50 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Man, I really, really hate this.

There was a big swell of gun control debate right after Columbine. After a while, it eventually died down. Let’s hope it dies down after time again this time.


4 posted on 04/19/2007 3:33:06 PM PDT by pcottraux (Fred Thompson pronounces it "P. Coe-troe"...in 2008.)
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To: pcottraux

I’ll bet that if we don’t get a renewed AWB, we’ll at least see a hicap mag ban, closure of private party and gun show sales without background checks. Expect to see these as riders to other bills.


5 posted on 04/19/2007 3:41:46 PM PDT by umgud ("When seconds count, the police are just 10 minutes away!")
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To: umgud

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1611939,00.html


6 posted on 04/19/2007 4:02:14 PM PDT by nvcdl
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
From the article: ban "Saturday night specials,"

This is one of my favorites. We wouldn't want future mass murderers to be inconvenienced by carrying an underpowered, unreliable gun. It might jam, allowing even unarmed victims to survive the encounter.

7 posted on 04/19/2007 4:09:44 PM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Democrats have been deliberately muted for months on an issue that, by their own reckoning, contributed to and perhaps sealed their defeat in the 2000 presidential election. That’s when Al Gore’s call for gun registration cost him votes in rural America and dulled the party’s appetite for taking on the gun lobby.”

Why do they always forget 1994?

There stupid gun control is what gave us congress.

Bring it on RATS, push guns back as a big issue for 08.


8 posted on 04/19/2007 4:13:15 PM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super Walmart for news .)
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To: pcottraux

Even worse, there WON’T be a discusion of allowing Concealed Carry which as been repeatedly shown to actually make a difference...


9 posted on 04/19/2007 4:14:37 PM PDT by wastoute
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Let it. It will be fun to watch the evil shrill trying to duck hunt one day then screaming anti nra rubbish to moveon.org the next.


10 posted on 04/19/2007 4:37:49 PM PDT by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: cripplecreek

Agreed. Gun control is almost a third rail of politics now. Anybody that touches it will suffer.


11 posted on 04/19/2007 5:49:12 PM PDT by My GOP (Conservatives are pragmatic and realistic!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In June, Tech’s governing board approved a violence prevention policy reiterating its ban on students or employees carrying guns and prohibiting visitors from bringing them into campus facilities. . . .


12 posted on 04/19/2007 6:03:18 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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In April of 2005, a student licensed by the Commonwealth of Virginia to carry concealed weapons was discovered possessing a concealed firearm in class. While no criminal charges were filed, it is unknown whether disciplinary action was taken by the school for violating Tech policy due to student confidentiality.

University spokesman Larry Hincker, in response to challenges over the authority of the university to enforce such a policy, said “We think we have the right to adhere to and enforce that policy because, in the end, we think it’s a common-sense policy for the protection of students, staff and faculty as well as guests and visitors.”[111]

Virginia bill HB 1572, intended to prohibit public universities from making “rules or regulations limiting or abridging the ability of a student who possesses a valid concealed handgun permit … from lawfully carrying a concealed handgun” was introduced into the Virginia House of Representatives by delegate Todd Gilbert. The university opposed the bill, which died in subcommittee in January of 2006. Spokesman Larry Hincker responded “I’m sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly’s actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus.”[112]


13 posted on 04/19/2007 6:14:42 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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