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Summation of Virginia Tech killer's ties to Islam
Various links listed within ^ | 1/19/07 | Dangus

Posted on 04/19/2007 4:47:03 AM PDT by dangus

The following are ties Cho had to Islam. They are not offered as proof of anything, but merely to prompt consideration or disproof of any links.

Cho’s father lived in Saudi Arabia as a young, single man. His sister works for a State Department contractor which oversees billions of dollars of aid for Iraq. Previously, she worked in Bangkok. (1)

Both of Cho’s plays are about sexual abuse. (2) Bangkok is a city famous for its sex trade, which caters especially to Muslim businessmen.

Cho’s rampage was on Holocaust Remembrance day. Although probably a happenstance, one of the professors he killed was a Jewish holocaust survivor. (3)

Cho used the pseudonym Ismael Ax. Ismael (or, Ismail) is the son of Abraham who became the ancestor of all Arabs, as opposed to Israel who became ancestor of all Jews (4). Although there are many Western references to this person, and many literary characters named “Ishmael,” that spelling is Hebraic. “Ismael” or “Ismail” is uniquely Arabic. Ismaili is also a branch of Shiite Islam (5)

In each play, Cho’s characters rant about the horrible decadence of American life. Targets include McDonalds, the Roman Catholic church, Michael Jackson and the NFL. (2).

Cho is from Fairfax County, Virginia. This is also the home of 1 in 8 Virginians, but it is also the home of Yong Ki Kwon, a 29-year-old graduate of Virginia Tech, who, like Cho, is also from South Korea. Kwon was convicted of terrorism, one of the so-called “paintball Jihadis,” who practiced massacres with paintball guns. (6)

(1) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1819852/posts

(2) http://newsbloggers.aol.com/2007/04/17/cho-seung-huis-plays/

(3) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1819826/posts

(4) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1819689/posts

(5) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1819044/posts

(6) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1819029/posts


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KEYWORDS: dangus; islam; ismailax; vatech; virginiatech; vt; waronterror; wot
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To: gridlock

I do think the Islam connection needs to be investigated—Islamic pseudonym, Holocaust Remembrance Day, anti_American rants, etc., but my assumption is it will turn out to be something his sick mind latched onto as a way of expressing whatever demons and evil were driving him.


41 posted on 04/19/2007 5:33:26 AM PDT by Burkean
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To: dangus
The questions are: How many? How strong? And are there any counter-indicators?

Yes, there are counter-indicators. He was NUTS. Severely MENTALLY ILL. Everything evil is not because of Islam. Everyone evil is not a terrorist.

42 posted on 04/19/2007 5:33:44 AM PDT by Trust but Verify (Why isn't madman good enough?)
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To: Peter W. Kessler; camle

>> how do you sleep at night knowing that muslims also sleep horizontal? <<
>> They do? Are you SURE??? <<

See, Camle, I’d never have suggested that they hang upside down to sleep, for instance...


43 posted on 04/19/2007 5:35:09 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus
AND - AND - In one of Cho’s video rants - he says he has done this for “his brothers and sisters and children of...” and then the news bleeps it out. His lips looks like he is saying “ISLAM!”

BUT WHY DID THE NEWS BLEEP IT OUT? ALSO, NOW THE NEWS ALSO MAKE FUZZY HIS MOUTH...SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT - WHY ARE THEY WITHHOLDING THIS INFO?????

44 posted on 04/19/2007 5:35:55 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: MilesVeritatis

Thanks. Actually, looking back, I did kind of flub what I said about Israel and Ismael.


45 posted on 04/19/2007 5:36:41 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

Ok, now that IS funny.


46 posted on 04/19/2007 5:38:36 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

As a certified Jewish conspirator on the leading edge of the anti-jihad, I have a better explanation: HE WAS BATS**T CRAZY.


47 posted on 04/19/2007 5:38:45 AM PDT by atomic conspiracy (Rousing the blog-rabble since 9-11-01)
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To: TSchmereL

There is no doubt that the mindless victimhood mindset of the left will encourage more and more of this grievance theater. The right would do well to develop slogans blaming the liberal mindset for this (something the wussie right can’t seem to do)


48 posted on 04/19/2007 5:40:10 AM PDT by tkathy
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To: TigersEye

See I told you so ping


49 posted on 04/19/2007 5:40:52 AM PDT by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: dangus
Sure he was influenced by jihadist behavior... just look at his videos and the need for a 'manifesto'. But unless you can prove he frequented mosques... all you're left with was that he was...

CRIMINALLY INSANE.

50 posted on 04/19/2007 5:41:07 AM PDT by johnny7 ("Issue in Doubt." -Col. David Monroe Shoup, USMC 1943)
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To: Suzy Quzy; Wormwood

Actually, I thought it was kinda funny, if in poor taste...

Look, I’m not out to prove anything, I’m in fact-gathering mode, and I presumed many other FReepers might also be.


51 posted on 04/19/2007 5:41:30 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Trust but Verify

>> Everyone evil is not a terrorist. <<

Yes, but all terrorists are evil.

>> Yes, there are counter-indicators. He was NUTS. Severely MENTALLY ILL <<

Sadly, that’s not really a counter-indicator at all, although it IS sufficient motive.


52 posted on 04/19/2007 5:42:59 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

My hunch is—not a member of any terrorist cell, but someone who might well have been attracted to terrorist propaganda and terrorist methods—certainly, his videos seem to have that same style. He doesn’t really seem to have had any real ideology of his own, except “wahhh poor me, its everyone else’s fault.”


53 posted on 04/19/2007 5:43:13 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy

You forgot to mention that “dough” and “bread” are colloquialisms for “money,” and the love of money is the root of all evil. Many criminals are motivated for the desire for more “bread.” Cho had to have enough “dough” to buy his guns.


54 posted on 04/19/2007 5:45:24 AM PDT by hellbender
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To: MizSterious

The really sad part of this “connection” game is dragging in the sister, who, at least from any evidence thus far, has led a blameless, high achieving life because NOW, recently, she has been SENT by her employers, to Bangkok and Iraq. Most of us think we (the US) SHOULD have bright, competent people working for us in such places. Until someone has even a smidgen on the sis, it seems really sick to take her employment as some sign of her psycho brother’s motivation.


55 posted on 04/19/2007 5:46:25 AM PDT by BohDaThone
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To: dangus
but merely to prompt consideration

Some things aren't worth any consideration

56 posted on 04/19/2007 5:46:49 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (No.. I said he was a Korean student, not a Koran student)
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To: gridlock
As Freud said, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar... Could be he was a non-Islam-motivated fruitcake.

I sometimes get the idea that some FReepers are hopeful that this guy was a Muslim. And before his identity was made public, that he might even be an illegal immigrant Mexican Muslim. That would be the trifecta.
57 posted on 04/19/2007 5:47:11 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: dangus

Yes, but some people are so prone to flame-throwing that they just can’t resist. ;)


58 posted on 04/19/2007 5:47:48 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: BohDaThone

Good point. And his father once lived in SA.


59 posted on 04/19/2007 5:47:55 AM PDT by Trust but Verify (Why isn't madman good enough?)
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To: Conservative til I die
I sometimes get the idea that some FReepers are hopeful that this guy was a Muslim. And before his identity was made public, that he might even be an illegal immigrant Mexican Muslim. That would be the trifecta.

Illegal-immigrant Mexican Muslim with a DU handle and a Rudy '08 sticker on the back of his Prius.

60 posted on 04/19/2007 5:49:39 AM PDT by Wormwood (Future Former Freeper)
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