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Rick Santorum and the Partial Birth Abortion Decision [an abortionist lover disses conservatives]
vanity ^ | April 17, 2007 | writeblock

Posted on 04/18/2007 10:04:30 AM PDT by writeblock

There is a political lesson behind today's Supreme Ct decision on partial birth abortion that some of you who now oppose Rudy Giuliani need to think about.

Back in 2004, Pat Toomey challenged Arlen Specter in PA for the nomination to the U.S. Senate. Both Rick Santorum and George Bush backed Santorum. They did so for three reasons. First, they believed Toomey had little chance to win in the general election whereas it was virtually certain Specter would win if nominated. Second, the Senate was too evenly divided between Democrats and Republicans to risk losing even one seat--which would mean losing control of the Supreme Ct. nominating process as well. It was no time for risk-taking by backing a conservative like Toomey who was a long shot to win in a state trending leftward. Third, they made sure Specter would cooperate with the President if he ascended to the chairmanship of the Judiciary Committee in the next Congress.

Specter, as expected, won in the general election and the Republicans kept control of the Senate by a narrow margin. Specter kept his word and ushered-through his committee the two Supreme Court nominees, Roberts and Alito. The rest is history.

I mention all this because Santorum--the real unsung hero behind today's Supreme Court decision--paid a heavy price for his backing of Specter--even though he was the main impetus behind the new law banning partial birth abortions. Ungrateful social conservatives, vowing to seek revenge for his failure to back Toomey, took it out on him in 2006 by voting him out of office. Santorum took the hit for taking a course of action that was wise both politically and morally--and far more principled than the peevish social conservatives could appreciate at the time.

A similar situation is going on regarding the candidacy of Rudy Giuliani. Many conservatives understand that we must win back the Congress for us to be successful in achieving our principles in the long run. They appreciate that only Rudy Giuliani promises to win states that are now either trending left or wholly in the Democratic column. And they appreciate that he stands the chance of winning big, thus returning the Congress to the GOP. But as was the case with Santorum, a core of disgruntled social conservatives are out to sabotage Rudy's candidacy at any cost. This is myopic--and not unlike their reading of what Santorum was doing back in 2004 when he supported Specter. They fail to appreciate that the name of the game is to win elections. If we lose them, we lose everything, including any hope at all of furthering our principles in the long run.


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KEYWORDS: offhismeds; partialbirth; santorum; specter; toomey; trollvanity
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To: gonewt

Yep.


181 posted on 04/18/2007 5:52:53 PM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: Petronski
Meanwhile, I note that a President Rudy (heaven forbid) would sign a repeal of the ban on partial birth abortion, making this decision moot

A "President Rudy" would mean a Republican Congress, which would never pass such a repeal, and thus no occasion for anyone to "sign" it. So your anxiety attack is unwarranted and moot.

182 posted on 04/18/2007 5:57:48 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard
A "President Rudy" would mean a Republican Congress, which would never pass such a repeal, and thus no occasion for anyone to "sign" it. So your anxiety attack is unwarranted and moot.

Rudy's coattails will bring liberals, not conservatives. Your "assurances" are useless.

183 posted on 04/18/2007 5:59:46 PM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: Cyber Liberty
Hatch. He was, however, ineffective and prone to folding like a cheap suit when the Democrats complained

I have suspected for years that the 'rats have an FBI file on Hatch.

184 posted on 04/18/2007 6:02:20 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: penowa

Thanks. Anecdotal evidence is about all we have.

Casey’s father, of course, was famously pro-life, which I think influenced working voters too.


185 posted on 04/18/2007 6:38:18 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Jim Robinson
Thank you sir for showing this assclown the door.
186 posted on 04/18/2007 8:54:37 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: writeblock
Do keep in touch, chump.


187 posted on 04/18/2007 9:02:10 PM PDT by vox_freedom (John 16:2 yea, the hour come, that whosoever killeth you, will think that he doth a service to God)
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To: writeblock
The flaw is the stubborn unwillingness of some conservatives to believe in hard facts. Bush lost PA, for example, even though the pro-lifers backed him to the hilt. And this was even though even the Amish—who rarely vote—came out in record numbers to support him.

Nice logic there. Oh wait - you can't respond BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN ZOTTED!

188 posted on 04/18/2007 9:05:57 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Ben Franklin, we tried but we couldn't keep it.)
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To: writeblock

The national republican future is present in California.


189 posted on 04/18/2007 9:06:04 PM PDT by Prost1 (Fair and Unbiased as always!)
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To: avacado; Petronski; Spiff
You made a definitive statement that Rudy will REPEAL this current ban. I simply want you to prove this statement.

See my post 82, the info in which was collected by Spiff. If Rudy Giuliani wouldn't try to repeal the PBA ban, there is not a politician in the country who would. The only people more invested in PBA than Rudy are people who perform it in their practices...or did until today!

190 posted on 04/18/2007 9:10:06 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: Petronski
I found it to be richly marbled with crap

Wonderful phrasing!

191 posted on 04/18/2007 9:12:35 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: writeblock
Those are my facts—what are yours?

Rudy is Hillary in a man's suit. Their positions are virtually the same on:
Abortion
Gun Control
Gay Rights
Open Borders
Taxes - Rudy claims fiscal responsibility, but the NYC budget went from $2 to over $8 Billion while he was mayor.
Appointing Judges - He appointed liberal Dem judges 8 to 1.

Fred Thompson will be the Republican candidate and he will defeat any Democrat put up against him.

192 posted on 04/18/2007 9:22:20 PM PDT by RJL
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To: Cyber Liberty
Exactly!! Darn, too bad he’s gone. His ‘logic’ was so very profound....lol

Let’s see here, he wanted us to vote for a pro-PBA politician, to help ensure we get PBA banned. Yep, that makes sense. HUH? (rolling eyes)

I wanted to hear his logic on why we should vote FOR a ‘gun grabber’-- to help ensure that we keep our Second Amendments rights.

And I wanted to hear his logic on why we should support someone whose personal life is a TRAIN WRECK—to help highlight the importance of family values.

And I wanted to hear his logic is supporting a GAY RIGHTS CRUSADER—to again focus on traditional family values.

And I wanted to hear his logic on why we should vote for a pro-amnesty liberal—to help stop illegal immigration.

And FINALLY, I wanted to hear his logic on why we should vote for a liberal President to ensure we get conservatives in the Congress. Unbelievable.

193 posted on 04/18/2007 9:24:43 PM PDT by stockstrader (We need a conservative President who will be a 'pit-bull' in the War on Liberalism too!)
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To: Jim Robinson; Petronski; ElkGroveDan; Mr. K; Cyber Liberty; eastsider; narses; TommyDale; ...
Ding! Dong! Writeblock is DEAD! As dirtboy eloquently put it, this troll was as subtle as a porta-potty on a hot summer's day, and he got the zot from JimRob himself!

PBA gets banned and a lying bag of crap gets the zot...it's a great day in America!

Here's a pic of JimRob delivering the coup de grace...

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194 posted on 04/18/2007 9:49:10 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Writeblock was a Rudy troll. And a not very bright one.


195 posted on 04/18/2007 9:51:20 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

Oh yeah, I knew he was a troll when Petronski said anyone would know he was a troll by reviewing his last 50 posts. I ended up looking at his entire in forum; it was 9 pages of nothing but the miracles of Rudy and the Dark deeds of the Fred.


196 posted on 04/18/2007 9:54:33 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: Mr. Silverback

It will be back, under another name. I think it was banned once before.


197 posted on 04/18/2007 9:56:14 PM PDT by pissant
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To: writeblock

I’m just so glad that partial-birth abortion is OVER FOREVER! This is a great day for life!! Every one of the Republican candidates was pleased with the decision and every one of the dems was PO’d.


198 posted on 04/18/2007 9:56:40 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Mitt Romney for President !!!)
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To: avacado

Why are you supporting this lemon?


199 posted on 04/18/2007 9:58:19 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant
It will be back, under another name. I think it was banned once before.

I agree...but you and I will be here to dry gulch his candy ass again!

200 posted on 04/18/2007 10:15:42 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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