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Another Victim Disarmament Zone Shooting 32 Dead. Thank You, Congress. Thanks a lot!
Good For The Country Foundation ^ | 04/16/2007 | John Longenecker

Posted on 04/17/2007 2:55:09 PM PDT by gc4nra

_____________________________________________________________ This visitation of death against Virginia Tech University this week is a direct result of gun laws banning weapons within 1,000 feet of a school -- the victim disarmament zone is as advertised once more. Sure the shooter is to blame, but Congress shares the blame not only for shootings, but for any instance of disarming citizens who could have resisted with all legal authority and use of force. Why obfuscate or discourage this legal authority?

We’ll never keep weapons – knifes, bare hands, brute force and guns – out of the hands of the criminal, but we sure can disarm the honest. This is the concept, and to announce same.

Anti-independence officials think that somehow trying something that doesn’t work simply needs more work, or at least that's the claim. Victim disarmament zones is one of the better examples of this stubbornness.

But when does it become outright interference with the family where the obvious solution is ignored and the go-nowhere solution is repeated. The purpose is a widespread and ever-increasing move from personal independence to dependency on agencies. And people die in this kind of stubbornness.

Personal weapons are a right secured by law, (and for such good reason) but are viewed as anti-social in spite of such guarantees, and are banned more and more from the hands of loving parents and able citizens who are not criminals, and who could have been on scene to protect their family members or another’s child.

Now let me address Congress with this edition of Good For The Country, please.

In banning weapons from parents carrying on campus or workplace, you have sent two messages – in spite of the fact that a majority of states affirms right to carry as a reasonable and lawful use of force, Congress has done a very ugly and unpatriotic thing for communities nationwide.

In banning personal weapons in victim disarmament zones, Congress has said:

1. To citizens: "Don’t do anything until we get there."

2. To shooters; "You have four minutes."

This is not for peace or safety, but outrightly against the people of the United States. Being a former Los Angeles Paramedic, I can tell you that EMS teaches Citizen CPR and First-aid for one important reason: we cannot meet a life-saving response time of under three minutes.

Neither can law enforcement. Where does that leave kids?

But the legal authority of the people can be on scene as it is in other venues where shooters dare not go because they are uncertain as to who is armed. Legally armed. As in nearly all state sof the union, but not on school campus. Recognizing citizen authority must be part of any serious-minded approach to shootings in schools, workplace, churhces - everywhere.

It’s time to repeal all gun laws as illegal in their inception because police cannot arrive with a life-saving response time, (and because they have had no such duty to begin with since 1845); because the armed citizen is the first line of defense, and because individuals have all legal authority to act in defense of another. Why make schools different? Airports? Civil aircraft? Shopping malls. Why advertise them as victim disarmament zones?

An armed citizen could have dropped this shooter before the number began to rise.

An armed citizen could have stopped him. Instead, you stopped the armed citizen.

32 more dead, Congress.

Repeal all gun laws and respect the sovereignty of the citizen over the illusion that a criminal will obey laws you write.

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John Longenecker is Chairman of the Good For The Country Foundation, a patriotic non-profit.

See www.GoodForTheCountry.org


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; gunlaws; shootings; vatech; virginiatech
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To: kinoxi
Hmmm, I think I misuderstood your first post and in fact thought it was by another poster whom I've "debated" on this point before. (Debated in quotes because he/she/it didn't make a single valid point.)

The disarmed student and faculty idea needs to be rethought.

Yup, I definitely must have misunderstood your first post. Sorry.

21 posted on 04/17/2007 3:21:54 PM PDT by piytar
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To: Lokibob

One Israeli citizen saved most of his class. He understood evil. We can’t even see the planes flying into the WTC buildings. Yikes. We are nuts.


22 posted on 04/17/2007 3:21:59 PM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: Sherman Logan
"It is entirely possible some did try, but they're all dead now."

Just about anything is possible. But that's an unconvincing argument for any subject.

23 posted on 04/17/2007 3:23:02 PM PDT by nctexan (Top 10 Presidential Reqs. for 2008 - see my homepage)
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To: stockpirate
>>>Actually it is somewhat off base. Va had a bill last year...<<<

He's not off base. He's refering to the U.S. Congress. His organzation is based in California.

24 posted on 04/17/2007 3:23:46 PM PDT by HardStarboard (The Democrats are more afraid of American Victory than Defeat!)
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To: Lokibob

because higher ed is more like glorified special ed... and because they are indeed free killing zones advertising: we dont have guns, come rape us signs on their foreheads... and they love porn, drama, frats and all kinds of whacky overexcited multiculturalism on the other end of the spectrum... because they are pro-abortion and thus pro-necrophilia and mass murder envy... and because it is run like flight over a coocoo’s nest of “counselors” and idiots... and because a ho is a ho, ie. if she invites her family to be raped, she is not going to like the idea of self defense or defense of the family and community and college... thus she is not going to like the gun... she is liberal, suicidal and murderous by sidelining proxy... it’s her “soft” trade... she hates also cow boys who defend themselves privately because it means someone with skills to put things in order collectively, and it blows her business... but she enjoys overdrug use and the sight of gangrapists and rap and the kind of trash that Korean kid was writting or drawing, they call it “J__sus pi$$” and it’s cool and free speech.

Welcome to the fubar world of progressism.


25 posted on 04/17/2007 3:24:17 PM PDT by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: Vaquero

No. Senator Kennedy is drenched in blood from the Vietnam genocide. He lives the high life by selling out his country.


26 posted on 04/17/2007 3:24:25 PM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: piytar
NP :)
I think we generally agree on this.
27 posted on 04/17/2007 3:28:43 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi

We are slipping toward an open season on the helpless. A generation of vipers that believe the jihad will soon be upon us once the Democrats defund the Iraq War. This is no longer icelated mass murder, there will be lots more until we wake up and arm the populace. Waking the populace from their hollywood sex and meth is the biggest problem. 9/11 did not wake them. They have rolled over and gone back to sleep.


28 posted on 04/17/2007 3:30:13 PM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat
There needs to be an acceptable level of protection for the students and faculty. There are muslims all over the world marveling at how ‘easy’ this was and no doubt planning accordingly. We can’t have this level of susceptibility and expect it to not be exploited.
29 posted on 04/17/2007 3:35:22 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi

If someone is able to get a CCW, and they are in college, don’t you think THAT would be OKAY? I doubt most students would pursue it....


30 posted on 04/17/2007 3:36:57 PM PDT by goodnesswins (We need to cure Academentia)
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To: bobby.223; Lokibob

There ARE stories.....the Jewish professor, the wounded student and others who barricaded the door, while the shooter tried to re-enter, and was shooting at the door....


31 posted on 04/17/2007 3:39:20 PM PDT by goodnesswins (We need to cure Academentia)
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To: goodnesswins

I think there should be an effective armed barrier preventing this horrible situation from happening to the extent that it did (I don’t think it could have been completely prevented). The individual schools would no doubt have to set their own guidelines in different states. These people were chained in and unable to defend themselves, this needs to change immediately.


32 posted on 04/17/2007 3:41:38 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: goodnesswins
First, no one under 21 would be able to get such a thing, and if some nut did, you'd think there would be enough sane students with CCW permits to take down a nut before they could do such devastation.
We've alowed the nation to become full of nuts, yes, it may take a while to weed them out and restore the nation back to a level of moral conduct that we have allowed to be exceeded.

But if we fail to act, then we will never see freedom like we once had in the 60's and 70's freedom that young people today have never known, and so dismiss as an old fogy tale. It was far more freedom than we have now.

33 posted on 04/17/2007 3:44:02 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: kinoxi

Does anyone know where the chains were? On the external doors of the building? Or on individual classrooms?


34 posted on 04/17/2007 3:44:21 PM PDT by goodnesswins (We need to cure Academentia)
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To: Nathan Zachary

YES....what you said!


35 posted on 04/17/2007 3:45:02 PM PDT by goodnesswins (We need to cure Academentia)
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To: goodnesswins

Apparently, twhen the shooter left the room, the students chained the doors to keep him from getting back in. He tried to shoot the doors, but failed.
Another attept to keep him out resulted in the proffesor gettinng shot.
I don’t know if these are different versions of the same story.


36 posted on 04/17/2007 3:47:06 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: goodnesswins

I haven’t read anything specific. Doors were chained to prevent escape and this bastard slaughtered them. The main doors would be my assumption.


37 posted on 04/17/2007 3:47:55 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi

Conceal and carry are the safe guards. For anyone to obtain that license intensive training is required. On talk radio yesterday a law enforcement officer here in Texas talked of this and what it takes to qualify for that license...you’ll not have a flake carry a concealed hand gun...you’ll have someone who has the ability to take down someone like that shooter.


38 posted on 04/17/2007 3:48:13 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: shield

Uh....I’m in WA State and I can get a concealed carry permit, without any training, I believe.....but, I better go check on that.....but memory serves me that my husband only had to be fingerprinted and wait for those results before he got his CCW...


39 posted on 04/17/2007 3:49:53 PM PDT by goodnesswins (We need to cure Academentia)
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To: shield

That sounds like an adequate safeguard to me.


40 posted on 04/17/2007 3:50:33 PM PDT by kinoxi
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