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Ishmael's Axe
http://external.oneonta.edu/cooper/articles/suny/2001suny-pikus.html ^

Posted on 04/17/2007 11:25:47 AM PDT by TexasBud

One possible source of the gunman's reference to "Ismail Ax" on inside of his arm is... James Fenimore Cooper's The Prairie. Character Ishmael Bush had an axe. "And the axe, which created and transformed through destruction, clears the figurative way for the deflowering of the New World."

The axe is apparently both literal and symbolic, and references are made about the character's having moved from the east to the west, creating change through the destruction (using the axe), and the like. Just a possibility, esp. for someone who was an English major?


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KEYWORDS: gunman; ishmaelsaxe; ishmailsaxe; ismail; ismailsaxe; vatech
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To: VaBthang4
Based on what, dummy?

Is there a reason for being such an ass?

121 posted on 04/17/2007 12:46:44 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: LilyBean
Ahhh, a sane post lost amongst a sea of convoluted BS. Thank You SE Mom.
There are times when I think many Ismail's are in our society.  I'm a but surprised no one has questioned the font it was scribbled in.

122 posted on 04/17/2007 12:47:54 PM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Mosquitoes remind us that we are not as high up on the food chain as we think...)
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To: bray

So, what your saying is that you have the right to free speech and opinion but I do not? That’s awful left-wing, don’t you think?


123 posted on 04/17/2007 12:48:19 PM PDT by Hatteras (I'm a sweetheart, genius, a reckless jerk. Lord have mercy, I'm a piece of work...)
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To: HawaiianGecko

What font? Any link/picture?


124 posted on 04/17/2007 12:48:42 PM PDT by null and void (To Marines, male bonding happens in Boot Camp, to Democrats, it happens at a Gay Pride parade...)
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To: TexasBud

Check out this guys “one act play”, a demented third grader could have fashioned a more compelling drama, this guy was an English Major but barely literate. Mr. Cooper would have been way over his head.


125 posted on 04/17/2007 12:51:17 PM PDT by lmc12
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To: MIchaelTArchangel
Isn't EVERYTHING Bush's fault? ...(/sarcasm)

That chant is getting REALLY tiresome for those of us WITH a brain.

126 posted on 04/17/2007 12:52:07 PM PDT by NordP (I know why Hollywood is concerned about global warming...heat destroys plastic. (Thanks Ann!))
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To: null and void
Yes, you found me out.


He's a sympathizer!

127 posted on 04/17/2007 12:52:12 PM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep")
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To: VaBthang4
Now we just have a grip of dummies farting online.

The grip of dummies thought perhaps this gentlemaen happened to be the shooter....go snort some more Jack Daniels...

128 posted on 04/17/2007 12:52:17 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: VaBthang4

If I decided to change my Christian name to a muslim name then I would have some explaining to do to my parents. I’m sure they would wonder who influenced my decision to make such a move. Must be the Amish people’s fault.


129 posted on 04/17/2007 12:52:24 PM PDT by aCDNinUSA
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To: Political Junkie Too

No, not the Ishmael in Melville.

Cho was referring to the wild woodsman Ishmael Bush and his sons the Bush boys, in James Fenimore Cooper’s novel THE PRAIRIE.

Read this for the reference to the axe - - http://external.oneonta.edu/cooper/articles/suny/2001suny-pikus.html

However, Cho did use a variant spelling of the name, an Islamic one. Interesting. Is the reference to a character surnamed “Bush” a coincidence? Is the “ax” or “axe” vengeance, cleansing, rage, violence, murder??? Who knows what he might have been thinking? Psychologists may ponder this for years to come...


130 posted on 04/17/2007 12:52:35 PM PDT by Et in Arcadia Ego
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To: null and void
What font? Any link/picture?
Well, I'm not going to waste any valuable naval gazing time looking for links/pix, but if I stumble across any good posts on the subject... you're the top of my ping list. ;-)

131 posted on 04/17/2007 12:52:45 PM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Mosquitoes remind us that we are not as high up on the food chain as we think...)
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To: VaBthang4

You didn’t exactly make it hard...


132 posted on 04/17/2007 12:53:51 PM PDT by null and void (To Marines, male bonding happens in Boot Camp, to Democrats, it happens at a Gay Pride parade...)
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To: Hatteras
You have the right to free speech as long as you are not encroaching on someone's inalienable right to be a complete dumbass.

In other words...dont say anything halfway intelligent and everything'll be alright [at least on this thread].

133 posted on 04/17/2007 12:54:32 PM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep")
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To: mutley

I am thinking Ismail Ax was his screen name on some website or connected with Islam or both. Wonder what was on his computer??

Pray for W and Va Tech


134 posted on 04/17/2007 12:55:01 PM PDT by bray (The Surge is Working against both enemies of America)
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To: HawaiianGecko
Thanks. I'll wait with baited breath.

Hmmmmm, that reminds me... sushi for lunch???

135 posted on 04/17/2007 12:56:20 PM PDT by null and void (To Marines, male bonding happens in Boot Camp, to Democrats, it happens at a Gay Pride parade...)
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To: aCDNinUSA
You did not answer the question.

"think he got involved somehow with a local mosque."

Based on what, dummy?

136 posted on 04/17/2007 12:56:25 PM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep")
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To: potlatch

Everyone is “reaching”

Nobody will find a “root cause”

Asking “why” is BS and will cost millions

The VT Prez and VT police chief (of unarmed meter maids!) lobbied the VA State Legislature to kill any “carry” for VT students

They repeatedly lied and spun doing CYA-TV yesterday


137 posted on 04/17/2007 12:57:09 PM PDT by devolve ( ........upload images free & fast at tinypic.com or Photobucket or Imagecave)
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To: Hatteras

No if you want to debate then debate the questions. If you want to look down your very long nose with your PC indignation go somewhere else. There are plenty of PC boards that will not offend you or anyone else in the least with their nonspecualtion.

Pray for W and Va Tech


138 posted on 04/17/2007 12:57:12 PM PDT by bray (The Surge is Working against both enemies of America)
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To: Our man in washington

>I write plays for a hobby, so I thought I’d take a look at what he did. Call it a sick fascination, but I was curious.....Beginning playwrights (especially young ones) nearly always have a character based on themselves.<

Maybe. I’ve been writing since I was a sophomore in high school, and I’ve never based a character on myself. Creative writing requires imagination, empathy, acute senses, a love of words, a dose of mysticism, vision, and a story to tell. It doesn’t necessarily follow that the shooter had actually been a victim. He could have based his play on a situation he’d heard about in the news, which intrigued him. He was no kid.


139 posted on 04/17/2007 12:59:03 PM PDT by Paperdoll
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To: VaBthang4

It has to be a Muslim. Everyone says so. Muslims are the only ones out to get us. Hello. How about a young man with mental problems, much like every other school shooting which has happened. I am very aware of Muslims and the problems they might cause. I don’t think this is one of them. But who am I to take the wind out of anyones sails? Fly at er.


140 posted on 04/17/2007 12:59:30 PM PDT by LilyBean
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