Posted on 04/17/2007 10:57:28 AM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
Transcripts are clickable on the site too if you dont want to watch. You can read instead.
Three interesting clips. This guy is not caught up in the hype over atmospheric CO2.
He slams computer models pretty hard.
Three short vids. First one should start right away. Select the last two on the dropdown menu on the left.
http://www.peoplesarchive.com/browse/movies/1248/en/
144. Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere: the balance between vegetation and atmosphere [Duration 00:06:33]
145. Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere: global warming and stratospheric cooling [Duration 00:01:27]
146. Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere: conclusions [Duration 00:02:42]
"All matter in the universe will be composed of iron at 10^77 years from now."
The scary thing is that we're already 25 years closer to the time when we've all been turned into iron!!
I’m gonna start selling iron offsets.
That is why I posted these vids.
Sure there may be concerns, we do not know for sure yet, and if so, it is possible they can be managed without impacting our ways of life as drastically as many try to say. Computer models are just that, models. Not measurements. And predicing doom and gloom scenarios from those models is irresponsible.
10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 years!
And your worried now...?!
Do you by chance wear aluminum foil on your head? Just asking....
And he seems pretty adamant that we should do something about CO2
Ping: Worth watching.
Different reasons, same conclusion.
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“And he seems pretty adamant that we should do something about CO2”
Possibly. He admits there is far more data to acquire.
And thinks that we can handle the problem with far simpler solutions then the Goreites preach, and not give up burning our fuels we do now.
That is a rather different take on the matter then what the MSM and libs preach.
Thanks for the ping and link. Mr. Dyson seems to be a well-educated original thinker. I think he enjoys being considered a “heretic” by “establishment scientists”.
Here’s a link to one of his speeches:
http://www.umich.edu/news/index.html?DysonWinCom05
Starting with the eighth paragraph:
“...The first of my heresies says that all the fluff about global warming is grossly exaggerated. Here I am opposing the holy brotherhood of twilight model experts and the crowd of diluted [”deluded”?] citizens that believe the numbers predicted by their models. Of course they say I have no degree in meteorology and I am therefore not qualified to speak.
“...But I have studied their climate models and know what they can do. The models solve the equations of fluid dynamics and do a very good job of describing the fluid motions of the atmosphere and the oceans. They do a very poor job of describing the clouds, the dust, the chemistry and the biology of fields, farms and forests. They do not begin to describe the real world that we live in.
“...The real world is muddy and messy and full of things that we do not yet understand. It is much easier for a scientist to sit in an air-conditioned building and run computer models than to put on winter clothes and measure what is really happening outside in the swamps and the clouds. That’s why the climate model experts end up believing their own models.
“...There’s no doubt that parts of the world are getting warmer, but the warming is not global. The warming happens in places and times where it is cold, in the arctic more than the tropics, in the winter more than the summer, at night more than the daytime.
“...I’m not saying the warming doesn’t cause problems, obviously it does. Obviously we should be trying to understand it. I’m saying that the problems are being grossly exaggerated. They take away money and attention from other problems that are much more urgent and important. Poverty, infectious diseases, public education and public health. Not to mention the preservation of living creatures on land and in the oceans...”
Actually, when Mr. Dyson said, “...the problems [of global warming] are being grossly exaggerated...”, I thought he was agreeing with ME.
My wife and I walked our property last Saturday and saw that several large azaleas along our east driveway had been killed by our recent “record” cold snap. When I replace those azaleas next month, I will be encourged by the idea that young plants “fix” more CO2 than old plants.
Expanding (and restoring) my garden is the method that I have chosen to “buy carbon credits”. IMHO, my method is much more effective than Al Gore’s self-dealing scam. Not to mention a boon to my “visual” environment.
Ozone is old goods, can’t be sold twice.
Soon, we’ll be in the post-gw age and we’ll need a new global threat like oxygen saturation or nitrogen depletion or bagels and cheese...
Allow me to digress into the insane logic of the green leftists:
If CO2 is truly the primary cause of global warming, then all we need to do is cut down all the rain forests. That will most certainly reduce CO2 emissions. All that open space could then be used to farm corn to make ethanol so that we don’t have to drill into that barren wasteland... er that beautifully unspoiled, edenic paradise... known as ANWR.
Yep, the answer to global warming has to be: CUT DOWN ALL THE FORESTS!
I found this particularly satisfying, and a validation of the feeling I get every time I accidentally stumble onto an evo-creationist thread.
A pox on both their houses, I say...
If we read the same transcript, I missed "adamant'. Intrigued? yes. Adamant? no.
And he was emphatic about not doing anything until we understand what has already happened. In his words, we do not yet understand.
Did you miss that part?
Science is not doing something in a neurotic fit, "just in case".
Anothe rscientists departs from the “consensus” and debunks the global warming myth.
replay for my liberal buddies PING
Thanks for the post.
I’m pretty healthy, for an older, fat, balding guy. I expect to be around a little longer.
At the very end of the interview,he says that people seem to be waiting around to do something about CO2 until they are certain about global warming. He indicates that the concern about the ozone layer in the artic from stratospheric cooling is reason enough to act now.
So bascially he has a different conclusion than AlGore, but the same suggestion for doing something to reduce CO2.
Of course he hints that dealing with vegetation is really the best method and I agree.
Did you miss the part about stratospheric cooling and its potential affect on ozone in the artic?
You nicely cherry-picked the skepticism about warming - which I also pointed out. But Dyson still advocated reducing the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. He advocated focusing on vegetation and sequestration to do so, but as far as I could read kept silent on industrial emissions other than to say it was unclear what signficance they had and that computer models are only as good or bad as the input.
Anyone who is paying attention to this entire debate recognizes that even those who don’t buy into the sky-is-falling wacko left theories, still realize that we need to do something for a variety of reasons. It is not an EMERGENCY, but rather a clear problem that is easier to solve step-by-step with intelligent market-based mechanisms and real science. But I believe I am now preaching to the (converted) choir.
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