Posted on 04/16/2007 3:28:50 PM PDT by jdm
Edited on 04/16/2007 6:49:44 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
I just found out about the massacre at Virginia Tech.
The thing that makes me most angry is that the dead students were penned up like sheep for the slaughter, in a ridiculous "gun-free zone." A better phrase would be "self-defense-free zone," or maybe "danger-free zone for armed criminals."
(Excerpt) Read more at hogonice.com ...
No comparison..........the military is a controlled situation. Place guns in the hands of 4000 students in a school in Los Angeles and see what happens. I am against gun control but I do not believe they have any place on a campus and uncontrolled. There’s got to be better ways.
I am NO Rosie O’donut fan, but she did once say, she misspoke. She believes people do have the right to bear arms.
Even she could not reconcile her own words.
That thought crossed my mind. I did read one story, however, where a student had the foresight to barricade the door to the classroom he and his classmates were huddled in. The shooter apparently tried to get in the door, but the student held his ground against the door. The shooter popped off a couple of shots through the door, but missed. Figuring (correctly) that there was easier pickings down the hall, the shooter went on his way.
That classroom can thank God that someone raised their kid right. They talk about the "fight or flight" instinct. Perhaps it's time to call it "fight, flight, or deer-in-the-headlight" instinct.
Yeah, it’s a good one.
“I wonder if it would be considered in good taste to send Mr. Hincker a note of congratulations on the success of his ‘no gun’ policy.”
I will look up his email and post it on FR.
You've been properly conditioned.
Students old enough to carry a concealed weapon should not be prohibited from carrying on campuses. Not many will want to carry. Those that do will have the blessing and training of the State [of Virginia]. But the best part is, that perps won't know who is armed, and who is not, and will probably not even consider shooting up the campus. Other students will exercise the same reasoning: If I misbehave with a firearm, some other student might use appropriate and legal lethal force on me.
Arizona is an open carry state. People who open carry don't have gun fights in the steets. If one passes a state approved CCW course, he may carry concealed. CCW holders aren't assassinating each other, or engaging in pitched battles. I imagine Virginians will behave in just as rationaly.
For facts, not feelings, I recommend: Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws: Contrasting Private and Public Law Enforcement
Abstract:
"Few events obtain the same instant worldwide news coverage as multiple victim public shootings. These crimes allow us to study the alternative methods used to kill a large number of people (e.g., shootings versus bombings), marginal deterrence and the severity of the crime, substitutability of penalties, private versus public methods of deterrence and incapacitation, and whether attacks produce copycats. Yet, economists have not studied this phenomenon. Our results are surprising and dramatic. While arrest or conviction rates and the death penalty reduce normal murder rates, our results find that the only policy factor to influence multiple victim public shootings is the passage of concealed handgun laws. We explain why public shootings are more sensitive than other violent crimes to concealed handguns, why the laws reduce both the number of shootings as well as their severity, and why other penalties like executions have differential deterrent effects depending upon the type of murder."
That kid had already been shot, along with 10-15 of his classmates....the perp tried to come back in....and he and another student blocked the door.
“The ones who are interested enough to qualify and train to carry would have been an asset today.” .............. i.e. ROTC Cadets.
Didn’t see that one yet. Thank you.
BUMP
What exactly is "security", I'd like to buy a couple pounds to have in the house. Do you mean "an unarmed security guard" since evil guns are not allowed on campus? I'm sure that would have been effective against this guy who's armed like the bad guys in a Bruce Willis movie.
You've got to be kidding right? Polycarbonate covered walkways on campuses? You were emplooyed as an armed guard for foreign dignitaries? That's a joke! The most likely occurence would be sexual assault, which generally requires an armed response to prevent. Teens with CCW? You're not very knowlegable. folks need to be 21 to possess a handgun, or get a permit for CCW.
Brilliant essaym, nobody does these better than Steve Graham.
Not at all Hophead. Zero Tolerance. All children and young adults who have been processed by public school are afraid to defend themselves—they will be punished if they do.
My oldest son was bullied into defending himself; kicked the shit out of the bully and was suspended for standing up to mindless aggression.
Cesspool, American Culture is a cesspool—view TV for seven nights and seven days and tell me you do not agree that America is not a cesspool. Listen to Hip-Hop, Rap, and read the opinions of the Media, Academia, and the Education Mafia. Cesspool.
The Police are just as bad as the School Administrators. They are Leftard Fools who care nothing for the young people in their charge. They get jealous, viciously so, anytime someone takes matters into their own hands. Protecting yourself is a crime. Judges and Prosecutors will relieve any American of that conceit.
Orwell merely got the year wrong, not the end-state, he nailed that and you and I are living in it.
Once Israel armed their teachers, attacks on schools stopped.
Immediately.
“Place guns in the hands of 4000 students in a school in Los Angeles and see what happens.”
INDEED, let’s just see what happens. What you would see is a short term increase in violence to show all the deniers that people are willing to defend themelves.
Then you would see punk little gangbangers understand that they no longer get a free pass at intimidating and harming law abiding people and they will cool their jets. Bullies tend to do that when they do not have a built in advantage.
The sooter’s name in the 2nd instance was Jamal? Fox ticker reporting.
Oops - here it is right here:
Larry Hincker at hincker@vt.edu
Looks like Steve Graham misspelled his name as “Hinckman” in the article.
Brit just had a guy on, who said this was a “crazy country” with “guns everywhere”, and that was the solution, to get more/better control of guns.
Just watch as the hue and cry for more “gun control” gets louder and louder.
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