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It's Official: The Reagan Revolution Is Over
American Enterprise Institute ^ | 4/16/07 | David From

Posted on 04/16/2007 9:23:04 AM PDT by areafiftyone

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To: areafiftyone
More Frum Folly!

This guy should be banned from broadcasting and all media, but what the hell. let's post his tripe on FR and clap to it like he's the new Ronald Reagan.

41 posted on 04/17/2007 12:14:36 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Mitt....2008)
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To: Unmarked Package

VIVA LA REAGAN REVOLUCION!

42 posted on 04/17/2007 12:54:01 PM PDT by Rameumptom (Gen X= they killed 1 in 4 of us)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
“2006 was a repudiation of the leftward drift of the GOP” Exactly. Rudy will wipe out the party for only God knows how long

If that were to be true, then what you are saying is that Conservatives of the so called "true" type, did not vote or voted for democrats to punish the party?

To my knowledge, the only historical stay at home conservative voters are not really part of the "base", but are mostly religious swing voters who when energized sufficiently, will go to the polls.

What happened, is that we lost all the swing voters for a variety of reasons, stemming from the war to Terry Shiavo when non religious swingers decided the Pubbies were far to dangerous to the health and welfare of the Republic, because of a kneejerk disregard of States rights. There were a half dozen other reasons, like stem cells, Internet gambling idiocy and bad reputations caused by everything from ineptitude to felony activities.

This can all be summed up with the comment that we did a bad job in the majority and were appropriately punished. We let the Dem's convince the planet that we oversold the war, and we had a bunch of bad luck as well. Can't blame ourselves too much for that.

Now it seems we (the base) could not warm up to each other unless we are cremated together, and so it will likely be, in 2008.

Perhaps that is just as it should be, as a instructive teaching aid.

43 posted on 04/17/2007 1:44:38 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Mitt....2008)
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To: Cold Heat

“If that were to be true, then what you are saying is that Conservatives of the so called “true” type, did not vote or voted for democrats to punish the party?”

Answer is “stayed at home”

You forgot pro amnesty which I believe hurt us more than the war.


44 posted on 04/17/2007 1:53:00 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Actually, we lost a lot of what little we had of the Hispanic voters, so I do stand corrected...LOL

You don't seem to understand, that these issues are not traditional conservative issues. They are dangerous and often cut both ways, and we usually don't run on divisive social crap in National elections. For the first time in recent memory, these issue even lost locally. In Arizona....East coast and even Missouri. It's been over hyped, over done, and over the top! This stuff loses voters in a national election, not the other way around.

But hell no! You guys want more of it, more often and louder!

Go ahead, make Hillary's day!

45 posted on 04/17/2007 2:00:23 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Mitt....2008)
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To: bluebunny
The U.S. has not undergone this fundamental change at all. It’s all about Iraq. Some freepers tried to warn about Iraq to no avail. They didn’t listen then and they will never listen. Some people can’t admit they are wrong. Bush is one of those and he is killing the Republicans.

The problem isn't Iraq. Iraq is (and continues to be) one of the greatest victories for the United States and Freedom in history.

The problem is that the MSM is distributing Defeatism-flavored Koolaid and you seem to have drunk your fill.

Yes, there are things we should have done better to fix Iraq. We should have been a lot tougher on terrorists for one, and shouldn't have stopped our tanks at the Syrian and Iranian borders for another. But thats on its way.

As for me, I support VICTORY in Iraq and nothing less.
46 posted on 04/17/2007 3:51:41 PM PDT by LightBeam (Support the Surge. Support Victory.)
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To: areafiftyone

“And he had engineered a state-wide health insurance plan that delivered universal health insurance coverage to all of Massachusetts’ residents—again without raising taxes.”

It’s really depressing to hear educated conservatives spout lines like this. This plan is going to be a disaster, despite how the news hypes it. The average health care policy is still 50% higher than the original target amount (and this already with substantial restrictions as to what it covers).

Here’s a quote from a newspaper one month ago about “RomneyCare”:

“The first signs of trouble appeared last August. In a filing to support general obligation bonds, officials projected that the new plan would increase state government health-care spending by $276.4 million in 2007. That’s $151 million more than what the public had been told the plan would cost. Meanwhile, the state’s new bureaucracy, busily signing up people for free care, has run into trouble finding affordable plans for those who have to pay. The premiums for subsidized plans would consume up to 6% of a person’s income — prompting calls from activists and echoes from politicians that they should be exempted from the individual mandate. So much for universal coverage.”

I’m looking over the field of top-three Republican Candidates and my heart is crying, “A Conservative! A Conservative! My kingdom for a Conservative!”


47 posted on 04/17/2007 5:19:29 PM PDT by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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To: areafiftyone
In some shrewd instinctive way, the Republican party is sensing that the United States has changed.

Two points:

1. One election does not prove and is not even evidence in favor of the notion that the country has changed. The Republicans lost seats in 2006 because Republican voters were complacent and Democrat voters were energetic. Just in my area, some Republican precincts lost thirty percent of their turnout between 2004 and 2006. The Democrats won some precincts that Republicans had won in 2004, but the Democrats didn't win more votes. They simply lost fewer votes. The people who delivered those precincts to the GOP didn't change their minds about the issues. They simply refused to make an effort to vote this time. There's been no change in what Americans believe. The last election was simply a change in who made an effort to vote.

2. While I don't believe that the country has changed, I have no doubt that some people want the country to change. What good citizens have to do is decide whether the change is for the better or for the worse. If the change is not for the better, good citizens will fight the change. The kind of policies represented by the likes of Rudy Giuliani are changes for the worse, and good citizens will reject his candidacy for that reason. We've often criticized some politicians by saying that they are wind socks instead of compasses. We need to support candidates who represent a compass. While the liberals would like to blow us to a more liberal course, good conservatives will stand for those who steer us back towards the correct path.

Bill

48 posted on 04/17/2007 6:00:13 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: Cold Heat

ONE MORE TIME..........The only candidate currently running that CANNOT beat Hillary is RUDY!

Romney would slaughter her, as an example.


49 posted on 04/17/2007 7:09:20 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: areafiftyone

It’s not over till the bald transvestite sings.


50 posted on 04/17/2007 7:10:19 PM PDT by Old_Mil (Duncan Hunter in 2008! A Veteran, A Patriot, A Reagan Republican... http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: areafiftyone; All

Romney is loosing because of any number of reasons and missteps.

Romney creates the perception of a panderer. It also does not help that he was wishy washy about stopping homosexual marriage and he impossed mandatory health insurance on the citizens.


51 posted on 04/17/2007 7:28:00 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Mordacious

This author is a nothing. He is just another elitist trying to bash the looooooong shadow of reagan’s leadership.

The Reagan revolution was very real and very positive.

Elitist articles like this are about as useful as Pelosi’s efforts to stage a coup over american diplomacy.


52 posted on 04/17/2007 7:31:33 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: areafiftyone

Frum’s an idiot and a lying weasel. He and his ilk are the reason Republicans lost Congress and the President’s approval ratings have tanked. What a backstabber...


53 posted on 04/17/2007 7:34:35 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: LightBeam
The problem isn't Iraq. Iraq is (and continues to be) one of the greatest victories for the United States and Freedom in history.

As for me, I support VICTORY in Iraq and nothing less.

So do I. But you just said it is already one of the greatest victories and yet you will support nothing less than victory. It is either a victory or it isn't.

Let me help you out. It is a boondoggle.

54 posted on 04/17/2007 7:46:59 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: KATIE-O
Romney may be a flipper, but he’s not a flopper. He hasn’t gone back and forth trying to find a popular agenda. He’ evolved from the left to the right in some areas, but he just hasn’t gone back the other way like so many of you try to label him with.

So much different than Kerry!

55 posted on 04/18/2007 6:02:37 AM PDT by sevenbak (My soul standeth fast in that liberty in the which God hath made us free.)
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To: anglian

Excellent post, thank you!


56 posted on 04/18/2007 6:06:38 AM PDT by sevenbak (My soul standeth fast in that liberty in the which God hath made us free.)
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To: ikka

It’s not just the illegals; immigrants tend to register and vote Democrat. That’s just the way it is; if we keep flooding our country with immigrants, we’ll eventually get solid Democrat rule.


57 posted on 04/18/2007 6:17:24 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Feel the love...)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
I would think the one candidate would be McCain, but that's just me.

McCain invokes strong emotional responses with me, and I am not a loner on this.

Hillary, like her husband, must depend on a situation where a substantial number of voters go to a third party or stay home, or both.

I think she could get around 37=45%, and needs to go up against a weak candidate.

From the statements made on this forum, the RNC candidate will be weak, no matter which one makes it.

Of those, I believe Romney has the gravitas to pull the best number from the swing voters and from the party base.

But that's just me......:-)

Hillary must be defeated. There is no other choice but to field the best general election candidate that we can come up with, and he will not be Mr. Perfect. All he needs to be, is Mr. President.

I don't like what I'm seeing and hearing within the party, and I fear we will screw this up.

58 posted on 04/18/2007 6:41:55 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Mitt....2008)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
It’s not just the illegals; immigrants tend to register and vote Democrat.

Rounding up their relatives in security sweeps by a Republican Administration is not helping much to earn their votes. So complaining about their lack of support is sorta foolish....IMO

59 posted on 04/18/2007 6:44:46 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Mitt....2008)
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To: sevenbak
Romney had to vector left on a few choice issues in order to be elected in a leftist State. Had he remained in Michigan, things would have been different to the degree that Michigan is not as far left as Mass.

What he is doing, is what all politicians do, and one could say that he is moving back to his original positions.

But I guess this does not make much difference to someone who thinks his religion is a cult.

60 posted on 04/18/2007 6:49:29 AM PDT by Cold Heat (Mitt....2008)
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