Rudy is Chilled by Draft; He's a Dodger: Vets (deferment called "rare and questionable")

New York Post ^ | April 15, 2007 | CATHY BURKE

[Liz]

.... Rudy Giuliani carries a lot of baggage - but it's his draft-dodging past that may prove the biggest drag, prominent veterans tell New York magazine in tomorrow's issue. Speaking about terrorism and the Iraq war last week, Giuliani boasted, "It is something I understand better than anyone else running for president." But it was draft deferments that kept Giuliani, 62, out of Vietnam while he attended law school. He was granted a 2-A occupational deferment for his job as a law clerk in 1969 after his boss, the late Manhattan federal Judge Lloyd MacMahon, wrote a letter to the local draft board - a move criticized years later as rare and questionable. Law clerks were not on the 1968 list of critical jobs that qualified for occupational deferments. Giuliani "has made it clear that if he had been called up, he would have served," Giuliani spokeswoman Katie Levinson told New York magazine. He was opposed to the war in Vietnam on "strategic and tactical" grounds," she added, although she wouldn't offer specifics.

"If Giuliani is the nominee, we're going to hammer him with ads, and it's going to be easy because the issue is simple: He's a draft dodger," Jon Soltz, an Iraq vet who served as a captain and runs VoteVets.org, a left-leaning version of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth .......a sense that a candidate can handle the role of commander-in-chief remains important to most Americans.

[MelonFarmerJ]

Military service, especially in regards to the lack of self-discipline and moral weakness of today's youth, provides the foundation of a disciplined life dedicated to service to family and country

I will agree that military service can aid in living a post-service life dedicated to service to family and country, however, the foundation for that life must be laid by family upbringing and the educational system, not the military. It is not the military's place to be saddled with correcting lack of morals, ignorance, criminal tendancies, etc. in their ranks.

[scratcher]

The Rudylovians salivate so much one can’t tell where the simple normal saliva ends and the drooling foam begins.

LOL 

[Kaslin]

know of no biography that has Hillary in the army, someone enlighten me.

This the post DeerfieldObsrver made

To: Liz

Compare Giuliani’s evading the draft with Obama’s four years in the Marines, and Hillary Clinton’s three-year stint as a Liutanant in the Army.

7 posted on 04/15/2007 5:52:12 AM CDT by DeerfieldObserver

He forgot the sarcsasm off tag, because neither did Obama nor Hillary serve

Obama's Military service

Hitlery's military serve

[Godebert]

What the hell is a ‘sabramerican’? Figures a psuedo-American such as yourself would support a gun-grabbing, un-American, abortionist, leftist scumbag like Giuliani.

[truth_seeker]

Favorite Republican sport: Circular Firing Squad.

This super duper long primary season gives Republicans such a long time to totally ignore Reagan’s 11th Commandment, over and over, shooting at each other’s candidate.

That is not a good thing.

[muleskinner]

Figures a psuedo-American such as yourself would support a gun-grabbing, un-American, abortionist, leftist scumbag like Giuliani.

Grab a towel and wipe the drool off your face.

[Kaslin]

I was very much impressed with Duncan Hunter’s speech in February at the CPAC conference, but how many president’s did serve in the military? Less then half, I think

[KevinDavis]

My dad joined the National Guard and he wasn’t rich...

[KevinDavis]

He could have done what Dan Quayle done during Vietnam....

[Kaslin]

draft dodger definition

someone who is drafted and illegally refuses to serve

Like Billy Jeff was

definition of draft dodger

Someone who avoids conscription.

Billy Jeff comes to mind again

draft dodger

The term "draft dodger" cannot be applied to someone who served in the military.

And since national Guard service is military service, and president Bush served in the National Guard, it leaves him out as a draft dodger

[kabar]

I was very much impressed with Duncan Hunter’s speech in February at the CPAC conference, but how many president’s did serve in the military? Less then half, I think.

31 out of the 42 US Presidents have had some form of military service. Clinton was acutally the first not to have served in the military since the end of WWII.

[balch3]

President Bush was a decorated fighter pilot. Vice President Cheney had valid legal deferments. Rush had a serious medical condition that prevented him from serving. The only one that fits the title of Draft Dodger is Clinton. Your liberalism is showing.

[kabar]

He could have done what Dan Quayle done during Vietnam....

Here is B. G. Burkett's, co-author of the book "Stolen Valor,” a history of the media’s portrayal of the Vietnam conflict, take on Dan Rather's criticism of Dan Quayle's service in the NG during the Vietnam era

"Meanwhile, Burkett is miffed that Rather led media criticism of former Vice President Dan Quayle’s military record during his White House campaign.

"This is the same national broadcaster who, night after night during the 1988 presidential campaign, hammered Republican presidential candidate Dan Quayle for avoiding Vietnam by joining the National Guard,” he said.

."CBS was particularly heavy on Dan Quayle and his Guard experience. … It’s exactly the same thing Dan Rather did during the Korean War.

Military service is important if you are a Democrat with military service running for President . It isn't if you are a Democrat running for President and have not served. Pretty simple.

[Miss Marple]

Good heavens! I have been gone and when I come back I find that you think I am trying to foist a "vile moral leper" on you!

Let me make it plain:

1. I don't care who you support or don't support. I am not backing anyone.

2. My sole objection is to the over-the-top language, such as "vile moral leper." Couldn't you have just said Guiliani?

At any rate, I am not trying to foist anyone on any people. Calm down!

[papasmurf]

And let's not forget, that 2-A came AFTER being refused a deferment he had applied for after leaving Law School. IMO, the only reason he took the clerking job was to qulaify for one.

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[papasmurf]

That's one of the funniest I've seen!

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[papasmurf]

I was an US BEFORE I was an RA! I'm a flip flopper. LOL

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[Samwise]

:^)

My brother-in-law dodged the draft by enlisting in the Army before they could draft him. Is that sneaky or what? Is he a draft dodger for dodging the draft or is he a war hero like John Kerry because he went to Viet Nam? He’s not a Republican or a Democrat. He’s a Libertarian, so now I’m all confused. I thought I had it figured out.

[ScreamingFist]

Oh, I don’t know, I’ve been doing it for 30 years and I’m still around. (Crop Dusting is by far, more dangerous than flying an impeccably maintained and updated fighter) The statistics point that out as well. You should actually check those statistics out yourself. (Which would help your clouded judgment out considerably)

If true, this makes your former comments all the more bizarre. Strapping into an F-102 wasn't exactly child's play, and a pilot as "seasoned" as yourself would know that.....

[papasmurf]

After I had gotten drafted, I was sent to Ft. Lee, Va. for AIT. There I was billeted with many NG's.

A common theme among these guys was...I AM protesting the war. But I believe in serving my Country, so I'm doing it in the Guard. If they call us up, so be it, it was meant to be.

I never looked down on them, in fact, I gained respect for them.

After all, Canada wasn't all that far.

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