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Rudy is Chilled by Draft; He's a Dodger: Vets (deferment called "rare and questionable")
New York Post ^ | April 15, 2007 | CATHY BURKE

Posted on 04/15/2007 3:02:41 AM PDT by Liz

.... Rudy Giuliani carries a lot of baggage - but it's his draft-dodging past that may prove the biggest drag, prominent veterans tell New York magazine in tomorrow's issue. Speaking about terrorism and the Iraq war last week, Giuliani boasted, "It is something I understand better than anyone else running for president." But it was draft deferments that kept Giuliani, 62, out of Vietnam while he attended law school. He was granted a 2-A occupational deferment for his job as a law clerk in 1969 after his boss, the late Manhattan federal Judge Lloyd MacMahon, wrote a letter to the local draft board - a move criticized years later as rare and questionable. Law clerks were not on the 1968 list of critical jobs that qualified for occupational deferments. Giuliani "has made it clear that if he had been called up, he would have served," Giuliani spokeswoman Katie Levinson told New York magazine. He was opposed to the war in Vietnam on "strategic and tactical" grounds," she added, although she wouldn't offer specifics.

"If Giuliani is the nominee, we're going to hammer him with ads, and it's going to be easy because the issue is simple: He's a draft dodger," Jon Soltz, an Iraq vet who served as a captain and runs VoteVets.org, a left-leaning version of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth .......a sense that a candidate can handle the role of commander-in-chief remains important to most Americans.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: dodgerudy; electionpresident; giuliani; liberalgiuliani; liberalrudy; lizhanover; rino; rinogiuliani; rudy; stoprudy2008
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To: ketsu
I notist the link is from the Washington Compost.

nuff said. Now go back to DU

101 posted on 04/15/2007 6:00:04 AM PDT by Kaslin (Fred Thompson for President 2008)
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To: Condor51

Cleared that up in #85. Still glad to see people so knowledgeable of the man and so many comments (Positive ones) in this thread about him.


102 posted on 04/15/2007 6:02:15 AM PDT by WildcatClan
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To: ketsu

In all honesty, I have to admit that Rumsfeld consistently under-rated the importance of trigger-pullers and over-rated the importance of high technology.


103 posted on 04/15/2007 6:02:53 AM PDT by dsc (There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. Edmund Burke)
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To: ketsu

“I guess you didn’t read the Colin Powell quote.”

Colin Powell supports abortion on demand and affirmative action quotas.

To me, that makes him a baby-killing quota queen, and takes him right off the board.


104 posted on 04/15/2007 6:04:30 AM PDT by dsc (There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. Edmund Burke)
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To: dsc
In all honesty, I have to admit that Rumsfeld consistently under-rated the importance of trigger-pullers and over-rated the importance of high technology.
Exactly. Rumsfeld was halfway right. He knew it would be possible to wipe the floor with the Iraqi army and take Baghdad quickly and easily using his strategy. But, by ignoring Shinseki regarding the number of troops needed to pacify Iraq, he dug his own grave and set the middleeast and the republican party back by decades.
105 posted on 04/15/2007 6:07:14 AM PDT by ketsu
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To: dsc

“Draft-dodging is doing something illegal to escape service. Legal means, such as going into the Guard, are draft-dodging only in the fever-sewer that is the leftist mind.”

Yup. This kind of $hit infuriates me. I wonder how many guard units have fought in our nation’s wars. Have a friend in the Guard, RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT, getting ready for his second tour in Iraq. Calling any Guard member a draft-dodger is a disgrace. Spit.


106 posted on 04/15/2007 6:11:29 AM PDT by gate2wire (I feel fine. I feel happy. I think I'll go for a walk.)
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To: Condor51
Jodie this and Jodie that,

Jodie’s drivin’ your Cadillac!

107 posted on 04/15/2007 6:14:34 AM PDT by airborne (Freedom is worth fighting for !! And I'm in a fighting mood !! HUNTER 2008 !)
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To: ketsu
At that time, you could ‘enlist’ in the Guard, and be out in two years. Bush went in to be a officer and a pilot, obligation was eight years.

The Delta Dart was a dangerous aircraft on take off and landing with a nice little habit of flipping on its back. Half were destroyed on takeoff or landings, the highest or near highest in Air Force history.

After Pilot training Bush volunteered for deployment to Vietnam.

108 posted on 04/15/2007 6:15:11 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: Leisler

Some people just ignore the truth


109 posted on 04/15/2007 6:16:28 AM PDT by Kaslin (Fred Thompson for President 2008)
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To: Samwise

Even as a one year old there was a lot you could of done. You could of carried a little flashlight and a little .22 derringer and checked out wabbit holes. Or something. You have no excuse! You...you....baby!


110 posted on 04/15/2007 6:17:14 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: ketsu; Miss Marple
And using this as an issue to attack Guiliani is poor political strategy.

This is put out by the media.

Political strategy aside, all candidates will have to deal with the media attack dogs.

111 posted on 04/15/2007 6:17:35 AM PDT by airborne (Freedom is worth fighting for !! And I'm in a fighting mood !! HUNTER 2008 !)
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To: finnigan2

It would kind of be nice to have a real crook in office. Maybe that’s why Ruddy did well as New York mayor as he saw politics as it is, a criminal enterprise that gets to decide what the laws are.


112 posted on 04/15/2007 6:18:56 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: Liz
Holy molly, are the rubybots out in force over him being a Draft Dodger or what.

The 'funny' thing is I'll wager these same Rooty Rooter who are defending and excusing his actions are the same ones who..

Yet Rooty, who actively evaded the draft, i.e.; DODGED, is perfectly okey-dokey. And in the next breath they say this DRAFT DODGER is the ONLY ONE who can "win the war on terror".

And the excuses, Jeez Louise, "well it's not like he burnt his draft card or spit on any soldiers".

It's so 'funny' it's sad.

113 posted on 04/15/2007 6:19:45 AM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: ketsu
"Entering the National Guard made it less likely George Bush would be called to Vietnam than had he been drafted"

Not true. Depends upon your MOS and your unit, the Joint Chiefs, and the enemy and politics. Some Guard were the first in VN. Others units served almost continuously. Some had higher rates of wounded/killed that RA units in VN.

114 posted on 04/15/2007 6:23:46 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: ketsu

Get ready, Bushbots are coming to get you.


115 posted on 04/15/2007 6:24:13 AM PDT by A. Pole (Donald Rumsfeld: "Don't blame the boss. He has enough problems.")
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To: Beagle8U

“Rooty, reporting for dooty.”

That’s a good one! You know, I can actually see Rooty trying to pull that off.


116 posted on 04/15/2007 6:24:14 AM PDT by izzatzo
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To: dsc

Heck, the Pentagon does that every day for a hundred years.


117 posted on 04/15/2007 6:27:09 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: Miss Marple; ketsu
Good morning. I'm reading your political insight with interest.

And I was getting ready to go off on ketsu regarding the Guard and President Bush, but you calmed me down.

5.56mm

118 posted on 04/15/2007 6:28:56 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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The problem I see is that mainstream americans could care less whether Rudy served or not. They will be the ones who decide. Many of you are only helping Democrats by bashing Rudy day in and day out.


119 posted on 04/15/2007 6:29:37 AM PDT by CTSeditor
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To: ketsu

Another Rudy hit piece form the Post —> Parrotted by the anti-Rudy crowd here = Hillary as President.

It’s THAT simple.

I’m not wholly in support of Rudy either, but at the moment we simply have NO other viable candidate. At some point, you guys are going to have to stop trying to eat your own - unless you’d RATHER have one of the demented RATS running the show.


120 posted on 04/15/2007 6:31:24 AM PDT by Pravious
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