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Whitey, learn to keep your mouth shut
timesonline.co.uk ^ | April 14, 2007 | Alan Davieson

Posted on 04/14/2007 7:04:31 PM PDT by neverdem

A racial storm in America

Don Imus, the line-crossing talk-radio host who broadcast daily across America from his New York studio, has been fired for referring to a team of black women basketball players as “nappy-headed ho’s”. Imus, a former Marine with a gruff demeanour, had an unsentimental show or, as they might say in America, it featured “guy talk” (any Briton, by the way, who uses “guy” or “guys” deserves a glossectomy).

There was some banter and unsubtle opinions were aired. It was not out of control but it also wasn’t a sanitised PC affair. He’s quite amusing and articulate in a resolutely uncomplicated way and had a huge listenership generating vast advertising revenue. Consequently, he attracted significant political figures as guests, pretty much anyone bar the President, who, of course, is rarely free to speak in public unscripted lest he describe Condi Rice as “that Secretary of State ho” in a momentary lapse.

Nappy-head, it turns out (excuse my whiteyness), means a black person who has allowed their hair to grow naturally into a tightly curled afro. It’s a term that can be used self-referentially with pride or disparagingly about others. Being a racial thing, its power is in the mouth of the speaker. Or is it in the ear of the listener? It’s complicated, so, in the interests of a quiet life, don’t use it unless you are very confident or, in fact, a nappy-head.

Imus apologised, offered no excuses, was roundly vilified and endured the measured, disproportionate wrath of Al Sharpton when guesting on the black activist/pentecostal minister’s radio show to defend himself. What they said, Imus and his sports reporter buddy, about the basketball game, was quite funny. The two teams were physically different. It was college basketball and Rutgers were playing Tennessee. The Rutgers girls looked more intimidating, they were inked up (tattoos . . .) and were altogether more menacing-looking even in defeat. These white radio boys were sniggering about that.

Basically, had it been a football match and it had all kicked off in the tunnel after the game, you’d have backed the Rutgers girls. The banter in the studio started trying to incorporate some black street language to describe the game to comic effect. It wasn’t very clever but then it’s morning talk radio.

To get to the top in college basketball you have to be good, in a general sense, not just at basketball, and you have to make sacrifices. At least that’s what college basketball folk and their families say. The girls were upset and in their robust defence they have been referred to as fine “representatives of God”. What fun you could have with that on the air if you were allowed to. God has sent down a team of 6ft tall Amazonian tattooed basketball players to represent Him. No doubt the devil sent Don Imus.

This happens when things get Blown Up Out Of All Proportion. There are enough people with a keen ear for a lapse that anyone broadcasting anywhere ought to speak thoughtfully. If only because you may not know how much offence you’ve caused until the outcry afterwards. Imus didn’t say: “If I’ve offended anyone I apologise.” He knew he’d caused offence.

He also did not say that the language and lyrics of black American rap artists leave his kind of remark not just in the shade but on the dark side of the moon.

A few years ago, on C4’s Big Breakfast, Johnny Vaughan asked me which was my worst ever stand-up gig. In 1989, at a private party in a Basildon disco, I performed to unanimous indifference. After me was an older comic. He ventured “Are there any Pakis in?” then went down a storm with racist material. Johnny intervened: “You can’t say that.” I said: it’s a true story — he said Pakis, not me. He stepped in with the forceful jocularity of the practised live TV presenter: “You can’t say that word.”

Some time later, a group of young British Asians were sitting in front of me at a football match. Bizarrely, one of them wanted a picture of me as his mum was a Jonathan Creek fan. His mate sneered: “I ain’t taking a picture of him, he used the P-word on TV.” He had me down as a racist, which was unpleasant. I’d gone over some invisible line. Johnny Vaughan knew where the line was; I didn’t. I thought context was relevant. I was as naive as a newborn calf. I was a C-word.

Among friends, thankfully, you can draw your own line. Wesley and Donald, two friends of mine from Edmonton, were discussing Donald’s attempts to sell his house after the break-up of his marriage. Donald was talking about some people who’d said they’d buy and then went back on the deal they’d shaken on.

“White folks?” said Wesley. “Yeh, they was white,” replied Donald. “Can’t trust Whitey,” said Wesley. “Nope,” said Donald, “you sure can’t trust Whitey.”

This observation had a poignancy and surprising air of veracity about it as well as being amusing, given that Wesley and Donald are both white.

Generally speaking Whitey’s too dumb to know where the line is. He must tread carefully since it’s the only line on the whole map of the world that he didn’t draw.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
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To: Cicero

In my salad days I worked with a gentleman nicknamed “Peas.” His hair, you see, was “peasy.” While I as unfamiliar with the term “nappy,” I was ahead of the curve is some ways. I declined to use his nickname, figuring that it might be offensive coming from a honky. Terminology apart, I sure miss him. Most of the lower class black folks, and I was one -lower class, that is, were kind and generous with a delicious sense of irony. I wander from the subject, so forgive me. Tomorrow, perhaps, I’ll have the strength to take on the cultural Marxists who brought us to this pass.


61 posted on 04/14/2007 11:52:46 PM PDT by ashtanga
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To: Generic_Login_1787
Let’s be careful about some rear-guard defense that “nappy-headed hos” really isn’t that bad.”

It isn't ’t. It’s jocular guy trash that doesn’t really mean anything. Guys, especially under 35 yrs old, do it constantly. As it happens, nobody cared when Imus called black, male basketball players “breast beating pimps”.

62 posted on 04/15/2007 4:34:11 AM PDT by TalBlack
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To: neverdem
it's the only line on the whole map of the world that he didn't draw

I believe it was sometime in the 1500s when Spain and Portugal had a treaty where they "drew a line" and divided the entire world in half.

If those "white boys" had kept their military in decent shape we wouldn't be having this discussion. :-)
63 posted on 04/15/2007 4:45:01 AM PDT by cgbg (We eight-eight flops of horse manure. We have tenure.)
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To: Tall_Texan

“If he’d said “snigger”, he’d be in even bigger trouble.”

What, the blackguard is niggardly with his snigger? Well, that’s a hard row of corn to hoe. Oh, dark day.


64 posted on 04/15/2007 6:40:58 AM PDT by dsc (There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. Edmund Burke)
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To: Mr. Silverback

“women of real accomplishment.”

Basketball is “real accomplishment?”

God help us.


65 posted on 04/15/2007 6:44:14 AM PDT by dsc (There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. Edmund Burke)
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To: OKIEDOC

Ya gotta admit, Sharpton is a master baiter.


66 posted on 04/15/2007 6:49:22 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Vaclav Klaus: "A whip of political correctness strangles their voice")
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To: neverdem
I think House of Pain said it best "good the peckerwood never could play the victim, only the offender
67 posted on 04/15/2007 6:51:35 AM PDT by nativist (Islam: an excuse to kill someone you don't like.)
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To: traderrob6
“blacks can use Ho, ni&&er, etc etc with impunity because those words are part of black culture” but whites cannot.

So - it is part of "black culture" to intentionally degrade one-another, calling their women "ho's", and taking about rape, murder, and all that? Wow - who is promoting racism and race identification?

68 posted on 04/15/2007 7:20:22 AM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: Fresh Wind

ROFLMAO


69 posted on 04/15/2007 8:03:01 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, DUNCAN 08, ELECTION 2008, MOST IMPORTANT OF MY LIFE TIME)
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To: ashtanga

I know what you’re saying.


70 posted on 04/15/2007 9:40:08 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Texas Songwriter

Yes, the primary meaning of “nap” is the texture of a carpet, covered by short fibers sticking up. And by extension you could use it of roughness in a paint job, as you say.

nappy:

–adjective, -pi·er, -pi·est. 1. covered with nap; downy.
2. (of hair) kinky.

Actually, as Imus used it, the phrase could be considered affectionate, as you might speak of a nappy-headed baby. Alfred Harbage points out that Shakespeare frequently uses “affectionate abuse,” as when Lear comes out at the end of the play with his daughter in his arms and laments, alas, “my poor fool is dead.” “Fool” isn’t a putdown in this context, it’s a term of affection. You can only use such language with people who are very close to you. The same, I suspect, with “nappy headed ho’s.” Trash talk is a little rough, but it’s not necessarily contemptuous all the time.


71 posted on 04/15/2007 10:04:28 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: bannie

Nappy means kinky or bristly, like the top of a carpet. But, yes, that would be considered cool. As I said to someone else, if you called a girl “nappy headed” it could just as easily be a term of affection as abuse, depending on how you said it. Actually, the same with ho’s, although that might seem to be stretching it. But Emily Post’s Book of Manners doesn’t really apply.


72 posted on 04/15/2007 10:15:51 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

Seriously, my son spent many hours at his best friend’s house when he was young. He said they always, affectionately, called each other “nappy headed.” I never knew about this until this issue came up!

When I was in basic training, I recall a bitter woman repeatedly making snide remarks about white girls always flipping their hair back. She’d put a towel on her head and try to make fun of us. She didn’t make it through basic; and she had few friends while she was there.

Apparently, I should have raised a ruccus over her racist accusation...and I didn’t even know it.


73 posted on 04/15/2007 10:52:26 AM PDT by bannie
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To: rdb3; tsowellfan

You’re welcome.
I have been waiting for SOMEONE (anyone) in the media to bring this up.
(”what if YOUR daughter etc”)
Maybe need to send a link to Sean Hannity or Mark Levin.

Truly an nasty comment.


74 posted on 04/15/2007 11:00:52 AM PDT by two23
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To: no dems

You’re absolutely right. He just should have said “it was a joke”. They may or may not have fired him. But the cowering to a race baiter like Sharpton was embarrassing. And NOT the Don Imus I’ve been familiar with for years. He got some bad advice on this one.


75 posted on 04/15/2007 11:06:43 AM PDT by Sue Perkick (And I hope that what I’ve done here today doesn’t force you to have a negative opinion of me….)
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To: neverdem
These white radio boys were sniggering about that.

The underlined word above will be next, if used in a public context. Take it to the bank.

76 posted on 04/15/2007 11:11:57 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: Hardastarboard

So we shall have to be niggardly with our sniggering? Oh, well, there’s always snickering.


77 posted on 04/15/2007 11:29:18 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: raccoonradio

Maybe they meant Whitey Ford.


78 posted on 04/15/2007 11:37:00 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: dsc
Basketball is “real accomplishment?” God help us.

In Snoop's world...but hey, you gotta admit, the girls got game!

79 posted on 04/15/2007 1:21:42 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: Savage Beast

No, I’m legal. “Guy” just doesn’t do anything for me. I’m a man, used to be a boy.
HERE COME THE WORD POLICE:
I think “Gal”, referring to the other gender, is a 100 times more offensive than “Guy”...I am a woman who used to be a girl. And while I am on this soapbox...do we need to refer to our children as “kids”....”kids” are baby goats. And what do you think about calling “ladies of the night”: “ladies”? And how about “Mr” Manson and/or “Mr” Simpson?
The news “guys” and “gals” don’t seem to know better...ugh !!!


80 posted on 04/15/2007 1:23:43 PM PDT by Republican Babe
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