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Buy me a gun, Rudy
News by Us ^ | 11 April 2007 | Bruce Walker

Posted on 04/13/2007 10:38:33 AM PDT by Spiff

Buy me a gun, Rudy

By Bruce Walker on Apr 11, 07

I was once an enthusiastic supporter of Rudy Giuliani and I am still an admirer of the magnificent job that he did as Mayor of New York. Rudy was also an absolutely fearless federal prosecutor who genuinely put his life on the line to break the back of organized crime. He has also been a loyal Republican, campaigning and helping Republicans - including those whose policies he may have disagreed with - when Republicans needed all the help they could get. There is a lot of good in Rudy. He would make a much better president than any Democrat. But, as his presidential bid begins to wilt, it is obvious that there are a lot of problems with Rudy.

Surely the most disappointing is his position on funding abortions. Although, to some extent, he has been misquoted, the gist of what Rudy said is just what most people believe: Giuliani supports tax dollars being used for abortion because he believes it is a constitutional right. And that is wrong on so very many levels.

Roe v. Wade is horrific constitutional law. It is, indeed, unconstitutional law. Before that odious ruling, abortion was legal or illegal depending upon what the people of the several states, through their elected officials, decided it should be. Abortion was treating just like murder or self-defense, both of which are still governed by state law (not federal judicial ukase.) What Roe v. Wade did – and Rudy knows this! – is to take what had been legal in some states, like his own state of New York, because the legislature of that state wanted it legal, and instead require that abortion be legal in every state. The dangers of this ought to be apparent to someone as bright as Rudy: a Supreme Court could reverse Roe v. Wade and declare that abortion was always murder. It was not a “pro-choice” ruling. It was simply the theft by the Supreme Court of constitutional powers clearly granted to the states.

But that is not the only flaw in Rudy’s position on funded abortions. It betrays a notion that government programs solve problems. Even if one believes that abortion should be legal, should the costs of abortions not be paid by the person wanting it? Or, if that person is poor, should not charitable organizations or families pay for the abortions? Requiring taxpayers, who have no choice about paying their taxes, to fund something morally repugnant to them is, itself, morally repugnant.

Even worse, Rudy has attempted to “clarify” his position by saying that because there is a right to an abortion in the Constitution, then there is a duty for government to help those who cannot “exercise” that constitutional right. What??? Since when did government become responsible for paying for citizens exercising their constitutional rights? If it was not abundantly clear that Rudy is not dumb like, say, John Kerry or Howard Dean or Al Gore, then I would say this sort of reasoning is downright dumb. But Rudy Giuliani is not dumb at all.

The Second Amendment guarantees the right to own guns. This is not a constitutional right that is in the shadows, as the ridiculous reasoning of Roe v. Wade finds, somewhere around the Eighth Amendment of the Bill of Rights. The right to bear arms is right there in the Second Amendment. It is spelled out. Moreover, the right to bear arms is predicated on the right of self-defense: the right to defend oneself and one’s family from danger. This is exactly the sort of right which Roe v. Wade purports to assert: a woman has the right to protect her reproductive processes.

So if government has a “duty” to pay for women who want to have recreational abortions, then, Rudy, does government have a duty to pay for my firearms? Conservatives are a bit antsy when you have said that gun control in New York is way different than gun control in Flyover Country, because New York had such a serious crime problem, etc. We could, however, buy that if you bought the argument that abortion, too, is an issue that each state should decide for itself. New York, again, had legal abortion at the time of Roe v. Wade. The decision was an attempt to cram the moral thinking of New York down the throats of us yahoos in Flyover Country. But if you believe that the law, as passed by that legislative body we call the Supreme Court, provides rights, then surely those rights should be the same everywhere. And if constitutional rights should be funded by taxpayers, then I have a request: Rudy, buy me a gun.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; giuliani; rino; rudy; rudyonguns; stoprudy2008
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1 posted on 04/13/2007 10:38:35 AM PDT by Spiff
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To: Spiff

BUT me a gun. LOL!


2 posted on 04/13/2007 10:39:22 AM PDT by Chena (I want a President who will also be tough against liberalism. (Kevin McCullough))
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To: FreeInWV; Reagan Man; Fierce Allegiance; EternalVigilance; B Knotts; jmc813; Kimberly GG; Sun; ...

(((((STOP RUDY 2008 PING)))))


3 posted on 04/13/2007 10:39:52 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Spiff
But me a gun

Tarzan take poly sci class?

4 posted on 04/13/2007 10:40:26 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: Chena
BUT me a gun. LOL!

d'Oh!!! One my my pet peeves and I did it this time!! I hate it when people do that...

5 posted on 04/13/2007 10:40:39 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Admin Moderator
Can you please fix my terrible spelling error in the title of this thread?

But should be BUY.

PLEASE!!!!

6 posted on 04/13/2007 10:41:51 AM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Spiff

“Moral thinking of New York?”


Excellent oxymoron!


7 posted on 04/13/2007 10:41:58 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: Chena

LMBO!


8 posted on 04/13/2007 10:42:10 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! Or Rudy/Hillary if you want to murder conservatism)
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To: Spiff

But me gun. White man go that-a-way.

Tonto not know.


9 posted on 04/13/2007 10:43:27 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Spiff

Spiff, that should be ‘butt’ as in ‘rump rider’ as in ‘homo rights parade in NYC’, LOL


10 posted on 04/13/2007 10:43:48 AM PDT by mkjessup ('President Rudy!!! = an aborted fetus in every pot, and no guns in any garage!!!')
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To: Spiff
But Rudy Giuliani is not dumb at all.

Spiff But Bump

11 posted on 04/13/2007 10:44:26 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: Spiff

But, but, GUN CONTROL REDUCES CRIME!!!

Rudy proved that with a declining murder rate in the 1990s, unlike the previous eighty years when New York had gun control...

Uh, errr, .... never mind.


12 posted on 04/13/2007 10:44:36 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Spiff

But me a gun. That’s so, so, so...inspirational.....


13 posted on 04/13/2007 10:46:06 AM PDT by Hi Heels (cleverly disguised as a responsible adult....)
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To: Spiff
But To The Top..... HAHAHAHahahaha.a.a....


14 posted on 04/13/2007 10:47:48 AM PDT by Hi Heels (cleverly disguised as a responsible adult....)
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To: Spiff
And if constitutional rights should be funded by taxpayers, then I have a request: Rudy, buy me a gun.

I'll take a RPD and 4 extra belts please. These stories amaze me how hizzoner could even be called a good prosecutor given his constitutional knowledge. Rudy and Nifong share common traits I am sure.

15 posted on 04/13/2007 10:48:36 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Rudy: When you absolutely,positively need a liberal for President.)
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To: Spiff
d'Oh!!! One my my pet peeves and I did it this time!! I hate it when people do that...

Aw, don't take it too hard. 'hit happens. LOL ;)

16 posted on 04/13/2007 10:49:00 AM PDT by Chena (I want a President who will also be tough against liberalism. (Kevin McCullough))
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To: Spiff

You’re going to learn that copy and paste thing now, aren’t you???


17 posted on 04/13/2007 10:49:47 AM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Carry Daily. Apply Sparingly.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Now I’m LMBO-2! :)


18 posted on 04/13/2007 10:49:56 AM PDT by Chena (I want a President who will also be tough against liberalism. (Kevin McCullough))
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To: Spiff

But me, rudy! But me agun! And agun and agun! Oh baby! You’re America’s Mayor!

Now for a smoke...


19 posted on 04/13/2007 10:50:20 AM PDT by Silly (plasticpie.com)
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To: Hi Heels; martin_fierro
But To The Top.....

Quis homines huiusmodi intellegere potest?
Likes big BUTS and he cannot lie

20 posted on 04/13/2007 10:51:21 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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